thanks, yes, it looks like CIP there are some towns with K as hallmark Chemnitz (it is not Chemnitz) Künzelsau had a C or K ... there was a maker Johann Christian Preuninger (Breuninger) in the 1740... Kitzingen (K or K under a bridge) I think it was not Kitzingen Kemnath? I think it is'nt. and some...