Silver Porringer, Haarlem

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Vantlicht
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Silver Porringer, Haarlem

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Silver Porringer from Haarlem. Marked with a yearletter q and it looks like a yearletter L. Furthermore marked with the citymark and a makersmark. However the makersmark is unclear for me, so I need some help here. Thanks in advance!

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Re: Silver Porringer, Haarlem

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The marks are not convincing. To me it's a mess, year letters b or q and L, the shield shape, I don't think they appear in the series for Haarlem and certainly not the redeem tax mark of 1795.
See viewtopic.php?p=83499#p83499

The city mark of Haarlem, the coat of arms: a sword flanked by two stars under a cross and crown, the cross is not attached to the sword but floats above it. Not here, it seems to be attached to it. The master mark deliberately unclear, doubt sets in. The crown above the sword also seems wrong. I am afraid nothing is right. For Haarlem see;
viewtopic.php?p=80360#p80360
The only mark that does mean something is the crowned V; Crowned V for large items; duty mark for foreign and other untaxed objects used 1814-1893. This duty mark does not give any guarantee of a precious metal standard of fineness. This mark has been used on metal with a 250 minimum silver content as a duty mark. This mark was destined for all imported, unmarked and invalid marked objects of foreign, national and unknown origin. Upon the invalidation of the hallmarks of Louis Napoleon's kingdom of Holland and those of the French Empire in 1816, this mark also has been used as a tax-free census mark.
The small flowery like V used 1814-1831 but also used in the Southern Netherlands from 1817 until 1832 after the Belgian revolution replaced by the Boars head.


Peter.

Source; K. A. Citroen Haarlemse zilvesmeden en hun merken, L B. Gans, Pemsela & Hamburger Goud en zilver-merken van Voet
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Re: Silver Porringer, Haarlem

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The bowl is marked with a master mark ?L, year letter q for 1733 and city mark Wesel / Germany.
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Re: Silver Porringer, Haarlem

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Most likely made by the silversmiths Johannes or Arnold Leeking.
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