Spanish wine tasting porringer 17th/19th century

[Juke*]

Hi!

Attached two wine tasting porringers (as they are of same usage I included them in the same post):

1) Wine tasting porringer with a Spanish 8 Reales (1687) Carlos II (1687-1691) coin. Marks 'TOLE' and three star like figures (?).

2) Wine tasting porringer with a Spanish 8 Reales (1803) Carlos IV (1790-1807) coin. Unmarked.

Any idea of the markings on the first porringer? For the second porringer I have understood that Spanish silver can typically also be unmarked so it would be normal. Are porringers dated according to the coins used?













Regards,
Juke

[Funkel]

Google Translation
Good morning, they are Spanish brands but fake. TOLE alludes to the city of Toledo and in the 16th century it was marked with TOLE but very different from its brand, see an example:

At the beginning of the 20th century, a silversmith dedicated himself to reproducing pieces from previous centuries and marked them with different false punches. In the Spanish market you can often see pieces with these marks, they are very well carved pieces but reproductions from the early 20th century.
All the best


Buenos días, son marcas españolas pero falsas. TOLE hace alusión a la ciudad de Toledo y en el siglo XVi se marco con TOLE pero muy distinto a su marca, vea un ejemplo:
A principios del XX un platero se dedicó a reproducir piezas de siglos anteriores y las fue marcando con distintos punzones falsos. En el mercado español se pueden ver a menudo piezas con estas marcas, son piezas muy bien labradas pero reproducciones de principios del XX.
Un saludo