Silver hallmarks to ID
Silver hallmarks to ID
Hello Gentlemen,
These two guys look (to me) like miniature soldiers frm the Peninsular War period. I bought them locally as being made of silver, as it all indicates.
The problem are the marks.They don't seem to be Portuguese, neither they show in the Portuguese contrasts book.
Has anyone here have an idea where these marks are from ?
Thank you in advance
Fernando .
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These two guys look (to me) like miniature soldiers frm the Peninsular War period. I bought them locally as being made of silver, as it all indicates.
The problem are the marks.They don't seem to be Portuguese, neither they show in the Portuguese contrasts book.
Has anyone here have an idea where these marks are from ?
Thank you in advance
Fernando .
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Re: Silver hallmarks to ID
Hi, welcome to the forum. To me it appears your images are not showing. Please use the preview button before you supmit. For information how to attach and embedded images see ;
https://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=42199
Peter.
https://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=42199
Peter.
Re: Silver hallmarks to ID
Well, i bought them and paid them as silver. Will have to confront the guy who sold them to me.
Thank you for the hint.
Fernando
Thank you for the hint.
Fernando
Re: Silver hallmarks to ID
Once again i thank Peter for his assistance.
Meanwhile, with insisting with a digital camera, a powerful magnifying lens (X20) and finally cross checking with a search in the Internet, i can tell the little soldiers are made of Portuguese silver, with a 935/000 touch. The symbol is the so called "Eagle, looking rightways". The picture i (Peter) first posted here was in the inverted position.
Just for general interest, i will ask Peter to upload here a page with Portuguese hallmarks, where this one included.
Fernando
Meanwhile, with insisting with a digital camera, a powerful magnifying lens (X20) and finally cross checking with a search in the Internet, i can tell the little soldiers are made of Portuguese silver, with a 935/000 touch. The symbol is the so called "Eagle, looking rightways". The picture i (Peter) first posted here was in the inverted position.
Just for general interest, i will ask Peter to upload here a page with Portuguese hallmarks, where this one included.
Fernando
Re: Silver hallmarks to ID
Chart for modern Portuguese: https://www.925-1000.com/Fportugal.html
Right facing would likely be .835 (835/1000) fineness here.
Clipped corners for Porto Assay office.
Right facing would likely be .835 (835/1000) fineness here.
Clipped corners for Porto Assay office.
Re: Silver hallmarks to ID
Hi Fernando,
Good job, I rotated your original image and indeed right looking the Portuguese eagle for silver 835/1000
See:
https://www.925-1000.com/Fportugal.html
Peter.
Good job, I rotated your original image and indeed right looking the Portuguese eagle for silver 835/1000
See:
https://www.925-1000.com/Fportugal.html
Peter.
Re: Silver hallmarks to ID
The implied maker’s mark would seem to be “M-under-an object” (or “M-surrounded by-an object”). [One thread points out that the letter may be a first name rather than a last name..we’d have to confirm this practice…for later makers at least.] The question, besides whom, would seem to be is this consistent with late or modern Portuguese maker mark practices?
Re: Silver hallmarks to ID
However assuming that the image originally posted was upside down, the maker's mark would be a 'W' and not an 'M',as both symbols contrast and maker with be in the same position. My book on contrasts and makers marks was published in 1958; i can check marks since the 15th century to until 1950, but the objects under discussion were visibly made on a later date; the original Eagle hallmarks only contemplated touches from 833 up to 916; no 835,which was part of my riddle. Apparently for the same reason i don't find in the book any makers mark, be it 'M' or 'W', with such design.Traintime wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 7:41 am The implied maker’s mark would seem to be “M-under-an object” (or “M-surrounded by-an object”). [One thread points out that the letter may be a first name rather than a last name..we’d have to confirm this practice…for later makers at least.] The question, besides whom, would seem to be is this consistent with late or modern Portuguese maker mark practices?
Re: Silver hallmarks to ID
Not pretending to complicate things, but the Portuguese authorities have since then issued newer regulations. Looks like the 835/1000 Eagle fineness is now ... a rabit.Traintime wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 7:00 am Chart for modern Portuguese: https://www.925-1000.com/Fportugal.html
Right facing would likely be .835 (835/1000) fineness here.
Clipped corners for Porto Assay office.
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Re: Silver hallmarks to ID
Rabit head introduced Januari 2021. The right looking eagle head for silver 835/000 first introduced in 1985 and used till the introduction of the rabit head.
Peter.
Peter.
Re: Silver hallmarks to ID
In my opinion your little soldiers with the 835/000 hallmark, the to the right looking eagle head, could me made somewere between 1985-before 2021. If you can find the maker and his or hers registration/active working dates we can be more precise when the little soldiers were made.
For Portuguese hallmarks see;
https://contrastaria.pt/en/legal-hallmarks-in-portugal/
Peter
For Portuguese hallmarks see;
https://contrastaria.pt/en/legal-hallmarks-in-portugal/
Peter