I found this big beautiful pipe, made in London in 1841,
The hallmarks are very small and the makerr's mark has the letters J.T
The shape of the outline is not quite that of James Thomas,
but perhaps this small mark is a little different from its usual one.
Or is it a completely different person?
Thanks for attention.
Amena
James Thomas, is it?
Re: James Thomas, is it?
Hi Amena,
That is the mark of John Teare. He was a known mounter of pipes.
See: viewtopic.php?f=74&t=33214&p=84156&hilit=teare#p84156
Trev.
That is the mark of John Teare. He was a known mounter of pipes.
See: viewtopic.php?f=74&t=33214&p=84156&hilit=teare#p84156
Trev.
Re: James Thomas, is it?
Source: The Directory of Gold & Silversmiths, Jewellers, and Allied Traders, 1838-1914 - John Culme
Trev.
Re: James Thomas, is it?
Hi Trev
Thanks for your help
What a difficult subject!
With dot, without dot, smooth ouline , jagged outline… I'll never get it..
Amena
Thanks for your help
What a difficult subject!
With dot, without dot, smooth ouline , jagged outline… I'll never get it..
Amena
Re: James Thomas, is it?
The date of assay can be narrowed as between the 22nd February (the date of registration of this mark) and the 29th May 1842 ( the last day before the date letter changes).
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Re: James Thomas, is it?
I am troubled by the difference between Teare's registered mark as illustrated by Culme (J and upside down J) and the mark found on amena's pipe. Did Teare commission another mark when he noticed it did not read JT? I think that we can be reasonably sure it's Teare's mark due to the pipe mount and the lobed mark, but why the difference?
Phil
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Re: James Thomas, is it?
Hi Phil,
I think that the thought of the reversed 'J's' is a illusion in John Culme's example, the combination of the pellet and the left-hand side of the top bar on the 'T' giving the appearance of the two merging.
Trev.
I think that the thought of the reversed 'J's' is a illusion in John Culme's example, the combination of the pellet and the left-hand side of the top bar on the 'T' giving the appearance of the two merging.
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Re: James Thomas, is it?
Hi
I wanted to add some images.
The different parts of the pipe are all punched.
As you can see, in two of the parts the silversmith's mark is stamped with the same punch, but in the third with a different punch, without the dot between the letters and with a different outline.
In my eyes, neither of them looks like this one
Regards
Amena
I wanted to add some images.
The different parts of the pipe are all punched.
As you can see, in two of the parts the silversmith's mark is stamped with the same punch, but in the third with a different punch, without the dot between the letters and with a different outline.
In my eyes, neither of them looks like this one
Regards
Amena