917 Silver Filigree Gondola

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MarkAnthony
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917 Silver Filigree Gondola

Postby MarkAnthony » Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:11 pm

Could somebody help us identify if this Silver Godola is from Malta, or Naples?
We cannot fathom if the first symbol is the Maltese Cross, or something else ?
Also, if the Brooch is from Malta, we believe the Hallmark indicates that it dates to 1810-1826. Is this correct ?

We used this website:- http://www.silvercollection.it/DICTIONA ... MALTA.HTML
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MarkAnthony
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Re: 917 Silver Filigree Gondola

Postby MarkAnthony » Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:16 pm

MarkAnthony wrote:Could somebody help us identify if this Silver Godola is from Malta, or Naples?
We cannot fathom if the first symbol is the Maltese Cross, or something else ?
Also, if the Brooch is from Malta, we believe the Hallmark indicates that it dates to 1810-1826. Is this correct ?

We used this website:- http://www.silvercollection.it/DICTIONA ... MALTA.HTML
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MarkAnthony
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Re: 917 Silver Filigree Gondola

Postby MarkAnthony » Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:22 pm

[quote="MarkAnthony"]Could somebody help us identify if this Silver Godola is from Malta, or Naples?
We cannot fathom if the first symbol is the Maltese Cross, or something else ?
Also, if the Brooch is from Malta, we believe the Hallmark indicates that it dates to 1810-1826. Is this correct ?

We used this website:- http://www.silvercollection.it/DICTIONA ... MALTA.HTML
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AG2012
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Re: 917 Silver Filigree Gondola

Postby AG2012 » Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:35 pm

Hi,
Whenever you see millesimal fineness (800, 830,917,925 etc) that always means newer production, i.e. very late 19th century, or more likely 20th century.
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gsmoggy
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Re: 917 Silver Filigree Gondola

Postby gsmoggy » Tue Oct 05, 2021 3:06 am

Hi Mark Anthony.
I feel AG is correct about his comments, if I may add my opinion ,this to me does not look like proper filigree work (fine silver wire work)
this piece to me looks to be a cast piece ,made probably from an original Filigree item used as a pattern.

Regards Guido.

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Re: 917 Silver Filigree Gondola

Postby gsmoggy » Tue Oct 05, 2021 4:00 am

Hi Mark

An example of Italian Filigree work,as like all things the quality of the work always varies.

makers mark Giuseppe Battista Rota Genova 39GE 1935 -ceased between 1955-1971.
Regards Guido.
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Re: 917 Silver Filigree Gondola

Postby dognose » Tue Oct 05, 2021 4:10 am

HI,

Welcome to the Forum.

It's Maltese, see: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=58974&p=193936

Trev.

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Re: 917 Silver Filigree Gondola

Postby gsmoggy » Tue Oct 05, 2021 8:44 am

Hello
I agree Mark's brooch is Maltese ,
I posted my box as an example of filigree work ,only.
Regards Guido.

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Re: 917 Silver Filigree Gondola

Postby AG2012 » Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:03 am

Hi,
Regarding filigree; depends how you do it.Twisted wire,small spheres and other silver particles are arranged on asbestos plate, flux and powdered solder added,then everything heated with jeweler`s torch to the point silver gets red and solder melts. Skill is needed to create perfect silver lace, if more solder is applied you get what we see here; not perfect filigree,unlike Guido`s box, which is well made.
Regards.


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