Enamel cigarette case

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madej
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Enamel cigarette case

Postby madej » Sat Mar 06, 2021 4:32 pm

Hello.
Unfortunately, the silversmith hallmark is not very readable, but does anyone recognize the silversmith anyway?Even if I wanted to look, I don't have access to literature at the moment.
The assayer is Ivan Sergeyevich Lebedkin from Moscow.
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Re: Enamel cigarette case

Postby madej » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:38 am

Hi.
Iknow it's hard to see, but do you have any suggestions?
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Re: Enamel cigarette case

Postby Qrt.S » Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:04 am

Pure guesses, but I reckon I see ЯЛ in the kokoshnik. That would be Jakov Lyapunov in St. Petersburg 1899-1904. It matches with the kokoshnik 1899-1908 for the year 1899. The maker's mark is morу difficult. It could be AH or АИ .or or.... but but but ????
Clean the marks and use a good magnifier and try again. Indeed difficult, pure guessings....

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Re: Enamel cigarette case

Postby AG2012 » Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:10 am

Clean the marks as suggested and use the highest magnification to identify maker`s initials; are there two or three letters ?

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Re: Enamel cigarette case

Postby madej » Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:12 pm

Hi. Qrt.S
Hi. AG2012
As for the assayer, it is definitely Ivan Lebedkin, now you can see it better. The silversmith mark is still not clearly visible, but i see there are three letters.

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Re: Enamel cigarette case

Postby Qrt.S » Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:50 pm

Yes it is Lebedkin Moskovasta. I cannot make out the maker's initials CM...? What do you see?

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Re: Enamel cigarette case

Postby madej » Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:55 pm

Yes i think the first letter is C

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Re: Enamel cigarette case

Postby madej » Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:24 pm

Hi.
Im writing again because it bothers me. In PL , I do not see any mark of silver from that period with three letters where the first is C. They do not mention anything in other sources?
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Re: Enamel cigarette case

Postby oel » Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:28 pm

Perhaps helpful
Your mark cropped
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Your mark cropped rotated 180
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Re: Enamel cigarette case

Postby madej » Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:34 am

Hi.
Thanks, maybe now it will make it easier to identify.
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