German? Dognose Rattail spoon

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German? Dognose Rattail spoon

Postby legrandmogol » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:30 pm

Not sure but I believe this piece is German or from somewhere in the southern Baltics. Any help is appreciated. The mark appears to be crossed lions rampant. The maker's mark is 3 letters, Only the letter C is clear, I think the next letter is an L but the bottom letter is blurry.
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Re: German? Dognose Rattail spoon

Postby Theoderich » Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:32 pm

nice spoon.

it is a raly surprise for me and I have no idea with such a double lion hallmark

the pattern of the spoon looks like a spoon of Franken (Bavaria) area about 1730

I know no town in Germany with such a city ​​coat of arms

Makersmark looks like (CE/K)

can you prove the fineness? it is 13 lot (812,5/1000) or 12 lot (750/1000)?

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Re: German? Dognose Rattail spoon

Postby legrandmogol » Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:43 pm

Thanks for looking. Sadly I am not able to get an accurate purity but it looks like 750/1000 by my eye.

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Re: German? Dognose Rattail spoon

Postby amena » Thu Jan 23, 2020 5:06 am

It's really odd that Theo has never seen such a hallmark. It seems to me that the surface of the spoon is a bit strange.
Could you post an enlargement of the "tremolierstrich"?
Thanks
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Re: German? Dognose Rattail spoon

Postby legrandmogol » Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:57 am

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That's the best I can get without getting more blurry with my iPhone.

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Re: German? Dognose Rattail spoon

Postby amena » Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:10 am

Well, I go back to saying what I said about papal state fork and spoon
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=54445&p=173434&hilit=cast+hand#p173434
hallmark seems cast rather than struck and worn and tremolierstrich seems cast rather than traced with a chisel. Only you who have the piece in your hand can understand if they are cast or not.
Best
Amena

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Re: German? Dognose Rattail spoon

Postby legrandmogol » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:04 am

Don't worry, I am more than confident that the spoon is genuine. In-person you can see the evidence of its hand construction and inside the bowl you can see evidence of the stamping of the marks coming through. They only appear cast because of the poor quality of my pictures and from years of wear smoothing the marks down. Also, my collection of 17th-18th century silver pieces has grown substantially over the years and I am more than familiar with most fake and real objects now. Rather than clogging up the website with everything I buy I only share the pieces I cannot identify. I appreciate your help advice and help always though.

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Re: German? Dognose Rattail spoon

Postby dognose » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:59 am

Hi legrandmogol,

Rather than clogging up the website with everything I buy I only share the pieces I cannot identify.


There's no chance of the website being clogged up and we will always be delighted to see your finds if you will share them with us.

Trev.

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Re: German? Dognose Rattail spoon

Postby legrandmogol » Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:35 pm

I think I will take you up on your offer. It's not really substantial but it feels large to me. I am going to try to post items I haven't posted before but forgive me if I forget

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Re: German? Dognose Rattail spoon

Postby legrandmogol » Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:53 pm

That's all I have at the moment. After Thursday I'll share my collection of 18th-century English Dinner knives and Dutch Birth Spoons. I don't have any pictures on hand though. I think that's all of my 17th-century pieces though except for a Nuremberg cup I have a coming. My collection is fairly heavy on Norwegian, Dutch (mostly already posted pieces so I didn't post them again), and German pieces. That's because there are not a lot of people who can identify them in the US so I can usually get them cheaply.

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Re: German? Dognose Rattail spoon

Postby dognose » Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:02 pm

Hi legrandmogol,

Many thanks for your efforts so far. I'm sure I speak for all of us when I say the sharing of your collection with us is very much appreciated.

We look forward to seeing your further items.

Trev.


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