candle holder with marks 800, urn or vase, EM or CM

[bread_baby]

Silver candle holder with marks 800, urn or vase, EM or CM monogram style.

Is it german? Anyone recognize?

[Traintime]

Unfortunately, the only reference I could find for an "urn mark" referred to an old Portugese firm. [The site's World Silver Standards chart indicates .800 fineness extends to Portugal only as "current" era.] Here is a more extensive discussion of world standards to show when and where 800 fineness was known to be acceptable: viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5137&p=10176&hilit=portugal+800#p10176

Without a Crescent/Crown mark to accompany the 800 mark, Germany (post-1886 era) does not seem possible.
Perhaps a full shot of the object may aid the identification process? Because any individual marks can relate to maker firms, assayers, retailers or even workers this could take some time for someone to bring more insight.

[bread_baby]

Unfortunately

Thank you for confirming it's not german.

[Traintime]

Just to be clear, with the possibility of missing marks, I can't say it is not German...only that we can not positively say it is. The lack of evidence is not evidence of a lack. How's that for a tongue twister?

[ALEKS]

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[Traintime]

Nice call!

[bread_baby]

Just to be clear, with the possibility of missing marks, I can't say it is not German...only that we can not positively say it is. The lack of evidence is not evidence of a lack. How's that for a tongue twister?

I had to bring out my calculator for this one.

@Aleks very nice. you recognized it? that's amazing.