Silversmith ID

[madej]

Hi.
Do you recognize this goldsmith? I was looking in PL but I do not see it. In addition to Russian hallmarks, there are also import French marks (swan),Assayer is Andrey Kowalskiy
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Regards

[AG2012]

Hi,
What are the marks on the left (red arrows) ?

[madej]

Hi.
The first grom the left is the Franch import mark(Swan), the second I thought IT was St.George???Hmm?

[AG2012]

The basket seems to be 1847.
This is Moscow St George 1847 on an open salt cellar to compare with.

[madej]

Thanks.
What are the conclusions?

[Goldstein]

Hi madej -

see PL # 2436 Jefrem Jevdokimov 1836-1856





Regards
Goldstein

[madej]

Hi, Goldstein
I also paid attention to this mark in PL, but that's not it. Other letters and not an ellipse .
Regards

[Goldstein]

Hi madej -

The understanding of Russian silver and its marks is a constantly ongoing process. The existing textbooks are partly outdated or incorrect, new findings are not yet documented. Collectors that are internationally networked and exchange about existing pieces come to interesting results. You can participate or ignore the new findings! A present object consists not only of a brand but also of a certain style, quality and craftsmanship. All these things should be taken into account ....
You only have 1 object of this manufacturer - others have 20 different objects of him - with marks that have different catouches - but all are from the same manufacturer - reread above.
Example:
I already showed you ee in a rectangular cartouche. Here is one rectangular with cut corners - same maker.

A salt throne (PL does not mention the production)...



Now you can start to think, combine and investigate - or wait and hope that someone else solve your problem.

Regards
Goldstein

[madej]

Goldstein
I understand everything you wrote. On my item is not "ee". The first letter is "e" but the second more looks like "B"? Click on the picture of the handle (then the image quality is better) and it is clearly visible there.
Regards

[madej]

Look, maybe you can see better here.
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[Goldstein]

Hi madej -

What disturbes me more is not the cartouche but the dot between the two letters.
The maker - whoever he is - is a better one (quality, craftsmanship). Maybe one day someone will find him!

Regards
Goldstein

[madej]

Goldstein
Why is this disturbes you? After all, there is often a dot in the goldsmith's sign between two letters
Regards

[madej]

Goldstein
You mean Jefrem Jevdokimov all the time?

[Goldstein]

Hi madej -

the details are important!
Jefrem Jevdokimov mark: ee without dot, form of cartouche

Conclusion: it is not him!

Punches of a maker change over the years sometimes significant - but a dot is always a dot!
My fault - I overlooked the dot....

Regards
Goldstein

[madej]

So it remains to wait, maybe someone will identify the silversmith.
And what about the sign before the 84 on the handle? I think it's Saint George, but the shape of the sign is more like the one from earlier years. Hmm?