Unidentified marks on spoon - East of France, Germany ?

[anikopol]

Hi all,

Here is a silver-gilt spoon, that I presume was made around 1760-1810 in Alsace or in Germany, but with mark which I could not identified.
The marks are :
- UBERLT or UBERLL in a rectangle : silversmith
- B in a rectangle : probably for the date
- a lion with the number 13 over : probably town / and fitness
- a swan (French mark marked later)

[AG2012]

Hi,
Possibly Braunschweig but cannot support it. Too many lions rampant.
At least to start with.
Regards

[silverfan]

I think it is master Martin Ueberle from Heidelberg, Germany
Regards silverfan

[anikopol]

Your are right AG, lions rampant are numerous, and it hard to find with this.
Thanks for your suggestion.

Silverfan, do you know some reference books on Heidelberg marks ?
Do you have a pic of Martin Ueberle to have a comparison ?
Thanks.

[AG2012]

Hi,
Yes, that`s correct.
Take a look here:
http://silberpunze.freehost.ag/index.php?sw=Hayn
Cannot figure out the sequence of date letters.
Regards

[anikopol]

Hi,

thanks for for link AG2012, and silverfan : congratulation and thank you.
Do you know a book (even in German) about Heidelberg silver ?
I would like to known more about period of activity of this silversmith.

[Theoderich]

Hi,

thanks for for link AG2012, and silverfan : congratulation and thank you.
Do you know a book (even in German) about Heidelberg silver ?
I would like to known more about period of activity of this silversmith.

it is Scheffler, Wolfgang
Goldschmiede an Main und Neckar: Daten, Werke, Zeichen ; vorläufige Ermittlungen — Hannover, 1977
http://digi.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/diglit ... 7b7975d2c8

[anikopol]

Thanks Theoderich for this excellent link !
Generally speaking, do you know a link that lists the reference books on German silver marks in 17-19th c., according to the area ?

[Theoderich]

some reference books You find there

http://silberpunze.freehost.ag/literaturverzeichnis.php

but the best reference books with the best images of german hallmarks and makersmarks is :-)

http://silberpunze.freehost.ag/