French silvermaker, LC, Paris, 1787

[Mary123]

Hi

I'd really appreciate help with identifying the maker of this piece.





Thanks in advance

Mary

[AG2012]

In my humble opinion this not consistent with 18th century French marking.
But let`s wait what more knowlegable members of the forum have to say.
Regards

[JayT]

Hello Mary
Is there a number at the top of the P date letter mark, under the crown? Is there a discharge mark?

[R ingo]

Hello JayT,

the number at the top of the P under the crown should be the last two numbers of the production-year. So it should be a 87.

Best regards, Ringo

[AG2012]

Have saved and enlarged the image almost 5 times with all features of the mark still recognizable; there is no two-digit year.
Let`s wait for discharge mark, if any.
But so far, this is suspicious.

[Mary123]

Hi, yes there is a very small 87 beneath the crown.

[AG2012]

Another suspicious 1787.
(The beaker, poorly soldered base).
Is it possible there`s no discharge mark?

[JayT]

Yes, R ingo, I asked the question about a number under the crown and over the P because I know what should be there, and didn't see it. Nor did AG2012 see it.

Mary, the owner of this square serving dish or jattedoes see a small 87. I am concerned about the size of the number. This is the size and proportion that the year number should be (although this example is from 1786):

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Also of concern is the placement of the marks on the under rim of the dish rather than on the bottom.

Let's wait and see if a discharge mark can be found at this point.

Best regards.

[AG2012]

Examples of 1787.
Are two year digits raised or impressed? The distance between the crown and ``P`` loop looks different; very small digits whenever impressed. Are both variants normal? Being for the same year, I doubt it.
Btw. what`s correct discharge mark with this ``A``? An eagle (seen here),dog`s head (Rosenberg # 6544 and # 6545) or both?

[JayT]

The 87 is part of the punch. The numbers are not added later. They are slightly raised.

Discharge marks are a function of the amount of tax paid, which is a reflection of weight. This object bears the crowned A charge mark for large and medium objects, in use from 1783-1789. Therefore the discharge mark could be any of the following: a head of a griffon in profile facing left with open mouth for large objects; the head of a youth in profile facing left with hair done in a bun, or an eagle head in profile facing left with beak slightly open for medium objects. Small and very small objects have a different charge mark: two interlaced Ls. The discharge marks for small objects are a bird head in profile facing left for small objects; and a jasmine flower for very small objects. In summary, there must be concordance between the charge mark and the discharge mark.

[AG2012]

JayT
Thanks for detailed information in regard of discharge mark. It`s not clearly explained elsewhere.
So, two digit year mark should be ``slightly raised``. It`s obviously impressed in several examples I have seen.
Thanks again.

[Dendriet]

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Sincerely
Dendried

[JayT]

Thank you Dendriet for your kind remarks.
JAyT