Need help with early 19th silver cup, Indian?

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laura9797
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Need help with early 19th silver cup, Indian?

Postby laura9797 » Tue Jan 12, 2016 4:44 pm

I am at a loss on this nice early 19th century silver cup......good repousse work.

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Re: Need help with early 19th silver cup, Indian?

Postby silverfan » Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:14 pm

The only mark of five on this cup I recognize is the national Symbol of the berbs (Berber) in Morocco and Algeria (on the 9 o'clock place). Therefore I think the item is from that area.
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Re: Need help with early 19th silver cup, Indian?

Postby dognose » Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:16 pm

Hi,

I hate to go against Silverfan, but to me, the style of the beaker and the marks look Swedish. It will be interesting to see the opinion of others.

Trev.

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Re: Need help with early 19th silver cup, Indian?

Postby oel » Wed Jan 13, 2016 9:05 am

Hi,

It is Norwegian, from Oslo (Christiania/Kristiania), assayed by H. Clausen
1823 - 1846, in February-March, Month symbol pisces 18/2 - 20/3.
See:
http://www.solvstempler.no/litt_om_stempler.html


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Re: Need help with early 19th silver cup, Indian?

Postby AG2012 » Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:36 am

Kugelfußbecher (beaker on ball feet) was very popular for centuries.
According to various sources, zodiacal month symbols (Pisces here) were used between 1766 and 1820, but they are seen on silver made in Oslo a couple of decades later.

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Re: Need help with early 19th silver cup, Indian?

Postby laura9797 » Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:27 am

Thanks so much for the assistance! I really appreciate the help for you all.

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Re: Need help with early 19th silver cup, Indian?

Postby Qrt.S » Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:36 am

It is Norwegian. The maker is Bertel Olsen born around 1788 in Bergen and dead 16.6.1863 in Stockholm. He was active in Oslo around 1822-1849. He was appointed as alderman for Oslo Gullsmedslaug 1832-36. Now everything is in place. Town mark for Oslo, guardein C. Clausen (not H.Clausen) 1823-1846, zodiac mark for Pisces (H) 18.2-20.3 and two maker's marks for B. Olsen.

As AG2012 mentioned the zodiac marks were used 1766-1820. As from 1821 onward (two) figures were used as year marks, but zodiac marks have been found on objects after 1821.

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Re: Need help with early 19th silver cup, Indian?

Postby Qrt.S » Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:38 am

The maker's mark is BO, sorry forgot to mention...


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