Edward Barnard and Sons teapot marks

[CAReno]

I am trying to identify some marks on a teapot made by Edward, Edward Jr, William and John Barnard. I can find information about the maker's mark date range but there are other marks for which I can find no identification: a cross with dots at one end; a sunburst of sorts at the other end. Any help with identification would be greatly appreciated.

[oel]

Hi, welcome to the forum. The marks are not clear. Please show us a better and enhanced, cropped image of all marks.

Oel.

[CAReno]

I hope these will work.

[dognose]

Hi,

Welcome to the Forum.

Please show images of all of the marks.

Trev.

[CAReno]

Here's a closer look at the central marks.

[oel]

Better images will give better results,the link below should help you:

viewtopic.php?f=61&t=37974&p=103282#p103282

Oel.

[SirWatkynBassett]

Hello,

Yes indeed, it would be good to see an enhanced photo of these marks. Barnard's plating works were, I believe, short lived, having been set up under the supervision of the great Michael Farraday who was related to Barnard family by marriage.

Bassett

[CAReno]

Sorry about the image troubles. I am using ImageVenue which is easy to use but I am apparently on a learning curve. I read Oel's advice and will paste a URL here and see if that works. Thanks for the info about Barnard silverplate.

[dognose]

Hi CAReno,

Thanks for posting the clearer image.



The top and bottom marks are almost certainly journeymen's marks, stuck so that the actual maker could be identified and thus paid (and held accountable for any problems later found). The '736' would be an internal stock/batch/order number. The mark on the left is the Arms of the City of London, and the 'A' a date letter, but to my knowledge the code of which is yet to be cracked.

Previous to your post I had only noted examples of the firm's flatware, where the date letter appears to be stuck numerically and applied with the mark of the later partnership of Edward (II) and John (I):





As your item bears the mark of an earlier partnership, it does raise questions. The item may have been one of their early efforts in plating, and perhaps they did not want to use their current mark for silver and simply struck it with a redundant punch, but that is mere speculation.

Barnard's plating side of their business was thought to be operating sometime during the 1850's/1860's period. As stated the Barnards and the Farradays were connected by marriage on several occasions, John Barnard (I) married his sister-in-law, Margaret Farraday, the sister of Michael Farraday on the 14th March 1826. Michael Farraday was married to Sarah Barnard on the 12th June 1821.

Can you show us a larger image of the whole item?

Trev.

[CAReno]

Trev, Thanks for all the information. When I did my initial research, I found a picture of a very similar style silver Barnard teapot at http://www.silvercollection.it/1630AAAINGLESE.jpg. It was dated at 1858. However there was no photograph of marks.Below is a larger image of the teapot although I can post a larger one yet when I am back at the office on Monday, if you like. Carolyn

[dognose]

Hi Carolyn,

Thanks for posting the image, no need for another one.



It's a interesting item from a great maker.

Trev.

[CAReno]

Trev,

Thanks for all your help. The patron I am helping with this research will be so pleased to have the information.

Carolyn