18th Century Russian Coin Dishes with very rare coins

[mingas]

Hello,
I want to ask, if these items seem authentic???
Thank you very much

[dognose]

Hi,

We need images of the marks.

Trev.

[mingas]

it seems that there are no any other marks

[mingas]

The owner said that both items is silver plated.

[Qrt.S]

What an interesting coincident. Rare coins dropping in!!
Read this viewtopic.php?f=8&t=42786 .....unfortunately I know nothing about coins but I wonder....

[SteveDWollongong]

Hi All,

These same dishes...and I do mean same(identical photos as supplied by Mingas) have been advertised on our favourite online auction site(Australian version) for about 12 months. They are claimed to be authentic 18th century and silver and priced as such. No mention of silver plate and they are listed in the sterling section.

I'm no expert in Russian silver but I've always considered them to be fake. They certainly aren't hand wrought as you can see they were spun.

Cheers,
Steve

[Qrt.S]

Imperial Russian silver is always marked. There are, however, some very few exceptions. These object do not belong to that category. I find these objects dubious indeed and not Russian made.

[AG2012]

RUSSIAN COMMEMORATIVE MEDAL

Tsarina Elizabeth of Russia (1709 - 1762), the Empress of Russia (1741–1762)

"Coronation in Moscow in 1742"

later restrike; Bronze Galvanoplastic / electrotyping of the medal