Dresden Silver Plate?

[pdx57]

Heavy silver plate measuring 10" in diameter with zig zag assayers mark with what appears to be a Dresden mark. Can this be confirmed? Also any assistance with the meaning of the "2mr. 12lt..." inscription, the "T" mark and possibly the crest would be greatly appreciated! thanks!

[oel]

Hi,

Your 2nd image is showing the Dutch script-letter I used 1906-1953; Duty mark for unguaranteed standard of fineness new silver objects of national origin. This mark was used on all new Netherlands silver objects below legal standard of fineness, those with non-precious metal additions, and new heavily silver plated objects, as long as the average precious metal content after melting with the base metal was at least 250/1000. It was also struck on rejected objects which had been submitted at lowest legal standard of fineness. In that case the maker had to choose between destruction or unguaranteed marking. This mark was sometimes mistakenly used on old and foreign objects and in 1927 also used on objects of old national origin. Valid from 1906 till 1953.

Peter.

[Bahner]

Hello, this was part of a large set of silverware. Very often the individual pieces were numbered, this is No. 60 of ? The engraving is the weight of the platter. "Mr" is for "Mark" (not to be mistaken for the old German currency), 1 Mark equals very roughly 233 Gramms, "Lt." is for Lot (please note that Lot is not only the oldfashioned way of telling the finenesss but was also a weight), one lot equals a sixteenth of a Mark. Follows "2 Quentchen", one Quentchen equals 3,65 Gramm. Follows - well, what ? Pfennig, Heller and Gran were the weights for even smaller amounts of precious metals. Not sure what we are seeing here. Regards, Bahner

[Theoderich]

viewtopic.php?t=19208&highlight=dresden

the same yearsletter - but I am not sure about the Year

http://silberpunze.freehost.ag/Objekt/DresdenSM.JPG

In Dresden the usual fineness of silver was 12 Loth.
In this case is it 13Loth -> good quality.

Is there any makersmark?

[pdx57]

Wow! Great information! I do have a second charger which is number 226 and very similar weights. No makers mark. Any clue on how to search the crest? Thanks very much!!

[Theoderich]

I want to ask a friend who lives in Dresden . Maybe they know more about it. Is there a history to the tablet , as it has come to America ?

[Joerg]

I want to be very careful, not shooting too far. But the cap looks like a "Kurfürstenhut" (Electors hat), and the Initials "FA" fits for the electors of Saxony. See here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rulers_of_Saxony
Theo, which date would you assign to this plate?
If it is really plate No. 60, this would also fit to a set belonging to the Elector.

Regards

Jörg

[pdx57]

History in America is unknown, I found them in a thrift shop; they thought it was pewter. I found this photo of the Prince Bishops of Hildesheim service, looks quite large!
http://nobility.org/wp-content/uploads/ ... erware.jpg

[Theoderich]

History in America is unknown, I found them in a thrift shop; they thought it was pewter

:-) nice!

[pdx57]

I think you are right! just found similar ones
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thank you!!

[Joerg]

Hi
Can you post the weight of the plate?
I am curious if the engraved weigth is gross or fine silver weight. Such sets were not only used and representative, they were also currency reserve. In time of need such sets were quickly coined. From this point putting the weight on the plate makes sense, as currency reserve.
Regards
Jörg

[pdx57]

Yes, weight of 615 grams. Maker attribution is to CARL DAVID SCHRÖDEL.
Thanks!

[Theoderich]

Yes, weight of 615 grams. Maker attribution is to CARL DAVID SCHRÖDEL.
Thanks!

I think You are rigst with maker Carl David Schrödel. Probably the yearsletter y is ca.1772.