Russia Silver no Assayer's Mark

[kevalie]

Recently acquired a bowl and has the combine city & standard mark and the maker's mark (HA) but without Assayer's mark. Just wondering if the bowl genuine or fake?

[Qrt.S]

It is hardly a fake and there is an assaying mark, no doubts about that. The 84 with St Petersburg's town crest in an oval frame is the assaying mark used 1882-1899. The maker is , however, more difficult. It could be Aleksey Nasedkin 1883-1905 but I'm not sure because the mark is unclear and could as well be seen as ДΗ (latin DN). Who that may be I don't know, sorry.

[kevalie]

Thanks for the reply, I was abit skeptical as I know there are alot of fakes on the market plus from what I gather they were really strict with the hallmarking and must consist of a Maker's, Assayer's, Silver Standard and a Town Mark.

[kevalie]

And I didn't think it is an assayer's mark but a marker's mark stamp twice, as the year is missing from the mark.

[Qrt.S]

Maybe you should read this if you are interested in imperial Russian silver: http://www.925-1000.com/Frussia.html

[kevalie]

I did and if I am not mistaken the assayer's mark will have the initials of the assay's master with the year below, which is missing in this case.

[Qrt.S]

Sorry, but you are mistaking now, You didn't read everything. This slipped your eyes: http://www.925-1000.com/Frussia_assay_variations.html. This particular assaying mark is called "dvoinik" i.e. double because it has only two elements, onlyt the fineness and town crest.

[kevalie]

Ah, thanks for pointing it out, didn't know how I missed that part. Upon further research this may be mark of HOLMSTROM, August Wilhelm a senior member of Fabergé's workshop.

http://www.silvercollection.it/faberge.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Wi ... str%C3%B6m

[Qrt.S]

Please forget Holmström. It is no circumstances him. Holmström was an outstanding goldsmith working for Fabergé only. The quality of your bowl is not good enough.

[kevalie]

How about his son Albert Holmström, they use the same mark.

[Qrt.S]

Sorry, not in a million years

[kevalie]

thanks for your 'expertise'

[Dad]

thanks for your 'expertise'

You sneer in vain.

In St. Petersburg there was some silversmiths worked with A.N. initials ( Cyrillics - А.Н.).
For example: for Trading House "Morozov" worked silversmith A.N.:

[Dad]

Hi.

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