18 century candlesticks

[AngusAardvark]

Hello again,

The following are images of a pair of candlesticks which my family has had for at least 200 years and which we believe to have been made in Sweden.

There are no standard marks suggesting that they data from before the Swedish standard mark system was introduced though there is some writing on the bases of the candlesticks.

Can anyone advance my knowledge? Given my location it's hard to find anyone locally with knowledge.




the other base is slightly different but only slightly so I have only included the one. I can try to improve the photo of the base if anyone wants.

By the way, do the regular contributors (Qrt and Hose replied to my last post) really like answering these questions..... if they actually enjoy looking at photos of silverware and looking up details then I am quite happy to keep posting but I don't want to hog the forum or waste people's time.

[Hose_dk]

I know the elements - base - the roset - the balustre -
but not in one.
This is a baroque candlestick. Denmark or Northern Germany - og Nederlands.
age 200 - 300 yeas old.
Normanaly they would be made of brass. That the normal when we see these baroque candlesticks. In your case I think its polished pewter.
Whats the reason for expecting that its silver? (not that I say its not, but I think pewter).

[Qrt.S]

By the way, do the regular contributors (Qrt and Hose replied to my last post) really like answering these questions..... if they actually enjoy looking at photos of silverware and looking up details then I am quite happy to keep posting but I don't want to hog the forum or waste people's time.

??? I don't quite catch you now. To my understanding the forum is especially meant for questions and discussions. Anybody is free to ask questions as well as anybody is free to answer. This forum is an excellent place to show objects hidden in peoples cupboards. Why not show them and ask for their origin, marks or whatever related to them? I'm happy if a can identify an object and tell where it is from, so?

[AngusAardvark]

Hose,

My reason for thinking it silver is that my uncle told me that it is. That does not of course mean that it is true. That's just he remembers from what his father told him.

I did not know pewter could take such a shine but I must admit the underside does not really look very like silver.

I agree that it is not as shiny as normal silver have not attempted to polish it other than to buff it with a soft cloth so I thought if perhaps I obtained some high quality silver polish I could perhaps bring it up to more silvery that it is.

[AngusAardvark]

Thanks Qrt.S

[AngusAardvark]

Now that you mention the possibility of pewter Hose I have tried a rough density measurement using kitchen scales and a bowl of water and get a value of 7. The bowl was wide since I laid the candlesticks on their sides to not have any air bubbles and the scales were not super accurate but good to a couple of grams. The result is on the wrong side of pewter which supports your theory but as I say the test was rough.

Do the etchings on the base mean anything to you?

[Hose_dk]

Could it be MCLS 1860
Anyhow its owners initials. The M I am sure of.
Most likely C - could be L - last i guess S for søn i.e. son

1860 is a bit to late for the model. So not the original owner.

If we assume MCLS its a name. MC would be first name.
L fathers first name could be LarsSøn -- i.e the son of Lars.

[AngusAardvark]

Thanks Hose.

No standards in that text then.

In summary probably 18th Century pewter baroque candlesticks.