Dutch or German piano snuff box?

[needy]

Would this be Dutch maybe Jan Van Geelen 1785 or is it German. Doesn't seem like Hanau Silver. Any info would be great.

[oel]

Hi,

Jan van Geelen his maker's mark; dove in a circle. The maker’s mark on the piano appears to be a swan, not a dove, without circular cartouche. The piano has no Dutch guild city mark or any other valid Dutch hallmarks. I believe it to be pseudo/fake marks and perhaps made recently.



Oel.

[needy]

Thank you oel. Probaly German silver Alloy. It was highly oxidized like 800 silver. The swan does not look like J. Kurz or Scleissners Hanau marks. The N looks similar to Gebruder Gutgesells however he does not show swan mark. I will try to research further or someone else may know maker.