Please help me identify the french silversmith of the cruet

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elcid51
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Please help me identify the french silversmith of the cruet

Postby elcid51 » Sat May 03, 2014 8:57 am

Hello I ask everyone's help to give a name to the silversmith in Paris in 1798/1809has made the cruet of which I enclose the following photographs. Thank you, Guido
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Francais

Re: Please help me identify the french silversmith of the cr

Postby Francais » Sat May 03, 2014 10:57 am

CLB Charles-Louis BOURGEOIS 16 rue St. Louis started1780 a pilastre with a star above.
Maurice

elcid51
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Re: Please help me identify the french silversmith of the cr

Postby elcid51 » Sat May 03, 2014 1:29 pm

Many thanks Maurice,
I knew you'd help me.
I can recommend the books that show the marks of French master silversmiths.
Tanks and best regards,
Guido

Francais

Re: Please help me identify the french silversmith of the cr

Postby Francais » Sat May 03, 2014 2:28 pm

You're welcome, I presume you are trying to corner the cruet stand market. I guess Italy is the last country to use them. I wish I knew you when I was more active.
I presume you meant what are my recommendations for French mark books. I am probably not the best one to ask, as I have stopped traveling to France and I am not sure if I am up to date. There is not one book that even approches being complete. You have to decide how much you want to spend, my library easily cost several thousands, and is not complete. The best moderately priced books for regional and some Parisian marks are the three books by Jacques Helft. Le poinçon des provinces françaises, Nouveaux poinçons : Suivis de recherches techniques et historiques sur l'orfèvrerie sous l'Ancien régime, and Les Grands Orfèvres de Louis XIII à Charles X
You could probably get away with just copying the marks in the back of the last one, also found in English.
For 19th c Paris Dictionnaire des poinçons de fabricants d'ouvrages d'or et d'argent de Paris et de la Seine, 1798-1838 and a companion book with the same title but 1838-75.
There is also Beuque & Frapsauce dictionaire de poinçons de Maitres-Orfèvres Français du XIV à 1838.
After those you would have to spend some real money for regional books, I only bought the areas I had some connection to.
I am sure some others can recommend other books
Maurice

elcid51
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Re: Please help me identify the french silversmith of the cr

Postby elcid51 » Sat May 03, 2014 2:59 pm

Thanks Maurice I see what I find in Italy.
Greetings,
Guido


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