Please help me identify the french silversmith of the cruet

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elcid51
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Please help me identify the french silversmith of the cruet

Postby elcid51 » Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:30 am

Hello I ask everyone's help to give a name to the silversmith in Paris in 1789 has made the cruet of which I enclose the following photographs. Thank you, Guido
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Francais

Re: Please help me identify the french silversmith of the cr

Postby Francais » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:44 am

I know you are experienced so I hope you took it apart and looked for a third strike of the maker's mark. If you don't have another example, can your read the letters? All I can see is a D and what could be an E. I presume the big glob in the middle is a symbol, it would be nice if you recognize something from it.
Maurice

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Re: Please help me identify the french silversmith of the cr

Postby elcid51 » Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:06 pm

Hi Maurice, how are you?
The only hallmarks from those available are the ones circled in red in the photograph.
I attach more pictures maybe more detailed observation visually you can think that the second letter can be an H or M, this helps?
Thank you, Regards, Guido
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Francais

Re: Please help me identify the french silversmith of the cr

Postby Francais » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:37 pm

HI,
I'm fine, did you ever find that book? In any case I can't help you on this one. The problem is the plaques with marks are not complete. As you might imagine this was a rather difficult time in France. It is odd that all the maker's marks are poorly struck, not odd in the sense of a fake, who would fake a cruet set from this period. Just odd. In any case I can't even do an online search without the initials, and the symbol. Maybe you'll get lucky and someone else will recognize the maker, I will keep it in mind.
Best,
Maurice

Francais

Re: Please help me identify the french silversmith of the cr

Postby Francais » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:40 pm

Wait a minute, could it be DF?
Maurice

Francais

Re: Please help me identify the french silversmith of the cr

Postby Francais » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:45 pm

I think it could be Denys Frankson, He used a similar mark from 1773 to 1791, he was a master from 1765.
The mark is available in Beuque. If so the symbol is a crosier, a religious item.
Maurice

Francais

Re: Please help me identify the french silversmith of the cr

Postby Francais » Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:04 pm

Comparing a drawing to a photo is never ideal, they don't look exactly the same, but I googled and found a commercial site showing his second mark, and it is certainly the same as yours.
I presume you know the other marks.
Maurice

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Re: Please help me identify the french silversmith of the cr

Postby elcid51 » Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:29 am

Hi Maurice, I think that your assignment Denys Frankson is correct.
Fantastic I have the cruet in hand and you only have the photograph identified the silversmith. Are you a real magician.
Thank you, Guido

Francais

Re: Please help me identify the french silversmith of the cr

Postby Francais » Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:13 am

Thanks but if I was a magician I would have turned up a copy of the book you need.
Best.
Maurice


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