18. century spoon.

[huszas76]

Hello All!
There is a spoon, I think from the 2. half of the 18. century.
There is a maker mark 2 times, but we don't have town mark.
I'don't met this maker's mark before. I think, it' from somewhere middle Europe, or some german area.
Anybody met this maker's mark before?
Any ideas, where this came from?


Thank you!
Best regards!
Krisztián

[Francais]

This may be a bit of a stretch. I think the spoon looks German, but I don't remember seeing one of exactly the same style. The mark looks similar to German marks too. Normally I would say that it would be impossible to narrow it down without a state mark. But I recently downloaded this ebook. viewtopic.php?f=38&t=34586
There is a IW mark that is quite similar, although the shape of the cartouche is different. I think it might be worth contacting the author to see if the style of the spoon is similar to others from Chur.
Maurice

[Bahner]

Hello, it might be helpful to consider the region of southwestern Danmark and northern Germany. Best wishes, Bahner

[stecci]

It could be a spoonful from the east of Switzerland or southern Germany. This spoon type I for the years 1740 - 1760 (approximately) repeatedly demonstrate for the above areas.
The "Tremulierstrich" points rather to southern Germany. In Switzerland, this was rarely done in cutlery.
That the maker's mark was stamped twice, but the city did not mark, only one cause may have.
The goldsmith has not worked to the guild regulations. Probably the silver alloy is poor (under 13 Lot). And he has not paid any taxes for that work.
This is an important indication that the spoon was produced in a small town.
The maker's mark (IW) is common. But precisely in this form it is unknown to me.

[huszas76]

Hello!
First of all, thank you for all the reposts!
Because the I.W. monogram combination is common, I thought, maybe the shape of the spoon will help. But I'm afraid, this form can only the age of the item helps to determine, not the place. So as I see now, and you suggest to me, it possible from Denmark to Switzerland, via Germany, via the Habsburg empire as far as to Erdély (Transsylvania) (I made the pictures there)
I know, in the 18. century wasn't singular a maker's mark without town mark. I agree with Stecci, the fact, that the maker's mark stamped 2 times, referred a lower fineness as usual (12 or 13 lot). I have some examples to this from the Hungarian Kingdom in 19. century.
Maurice, thank you for the idea to write to that book's author, maybe I will (If I have a little more time). And I keep one eyes peeled, if maybe I find this maker with a town mark.
Best regards!
Krisztián

[Francais]

You might want to view my last few postings as this is very strange.
You might want to visit this download Hans Jakob WEGERICH III 1706-1729 in Stecci's free download http://www.ae-design.ch/e-book-s.html#a1652
Very odd Stecci didn't recognize the mark and yet it is in his ebook.
Maurice

[Francais]

I guess I need to correct myself I downloaded all the marks and put them next to each other. They are very similar oddly so, but different.
Maurice

[Hose_dk]

Regarding a Danish posibility. I dont think. Shape of spoon could be Danish also the makers mark Struck twise. And the missing city - all typical Danish.
But engraving, shape of initials never seen that shape in Denmark. Assey scrach mark, not Danish, shape of frame makers mark, not usual. These 3 indications ment that I have even not look for a match in Denmark.