Mark on large chalice, perhaps Italian

[florence927]

Can you help me identify the origin of this chalice, or any other information? It is 12 inches high.

[oel]

Hi welcome to the forum.

Could be German and perhaps from the city of Parchim or Penzlin, both cities used a P in (various) shield .( Marc Rozenberg Der Goldschmiede Merkzeichen)
I will move you to our German section.


Best,

Oel.

[Theoderich]

could be Porto?

[Funkel]

Buenos días Theoderich me dio la pista, le adjunto fotos del libro "Marcas de Contrastes E Ourives Portugueses" de Manuel Gonçalves Vidal

Good morning Theoderich clued me, please find attached photos of "Marcas de Contrastes E Ourives Portugueses" by Manuel Gonçalves Vidal




(*) Marcas de ourives assinaladas no "Inventário de Marcas de Pratas Portuguesas e Brasileiras"

Un saludo

A greeting

[AG2012]

Several parts of the chalice do not look like XVIII century (arrows).
Is the base made of a single sheet of silver embossed or four panels soldered (red line)?
Just curious; is it profitable to fake XVIII century Portuguese silver?
Regards

[Funkel]

AG2012 has pensado que pueda ser una reparación de la base porque se halla roto la original?

AG2012 have thought that could be a base repair is broken because the original?

[AG2012]

Was suggesting this:
1. Beading in the stem looks too perfectly executed
2. The bell - form bowl does not look too old
3. The base should be raised all over with repoussé chased decoration, not made of four panels soldered together. The example of 1860 Continental candlestick base is attached to demonstrate how it was made; NOT raised; soldering lines are clearly seen in four corners (arrow). Look for a particular detail repeated in four panels (example given in smaller picture). If it repeats exactly the same way it cannot be hand repoussé chased decoration for obvious reasons. It’s stamped and cannot be 18th century. Even if not circular (easier to execute and far more common) 18th century silversmiths knew how to raise silver.
In a word, it does not look like 18th century silversmithing to me. You can take with a pinch of salt what I say, but I have seen chalices assembled from candlestick parts of much later date and punched with old marks.
Regards