Please help with unknown maker

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Scotrab
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Please help with unknown maker

Postby Scotrab » Sun May 12, 2013 11:46 am

I need help with the identification of the maker of my captain's spoon.
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The mark/maker is not in Rosenberg, Scheffler (Mittel- und Nordost Deutschland, and Ostpreussen) and von Czihak.
Additionally, can anyone read the second name? It is written in "Sütterlinschrift" and I can read only some letters (e.g. S at the beginning of the name). The third name on the second line is an abbreviation and it does not make sense to me either.
Your help is very much appreciated!

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Re: Please help with unknown maker

Postby Theoderich » Sun May 12, 2013 2:29 pm

try the lagest reference book of german hallmarks ;-)
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it is Eduard Wöbber from Cuxhaven, born 1830 - master ca 1863 +1900
Scheffler, Niedersachsen,S 282 Nr 11

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Re: Please help with unknown maker

Postby Scotrab » Sun May 12, 2013 2:44 pm

Many thanks Theoderich!
I thought it might be in one of the volumes I have not got. I thought it might be from that region of Germany: if you search for Wöbber you find other people with that name and they are all from around those parts.
And now I can only hope that someone turns up who can still read Sütterlinschrift...
Thank you again very much for your lightning-quick answer.

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Re: Please help with unknown maker

Postby Bahner » Mon May 13, 2013 7:54 am

Hello, that reads "I.W. Böye & Schwester / O.C. Ottdf. 1879". "Schwester" is sister, believe "Ottdf." to be an oldfashioned abbreviation for "Ottendorf", a village near Kiel in Northern Germany. Regards, Bahner
(this is not Sütterlin, which was not designed until 1911. This is oldfashioned German script, back then called "Latin" - lateinische Schreibschrift - , a somewhat more rounded script than the popular German "fractured" script).

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Re: Please help with unknown maker

Postby Scotrab » Mon May 13, 2013 10:25 am

Thank you very much Bahner!
After Theoderich found the maker I searched for the complete name and Cuxhaven and found that E. Wöbber's family came from Otterndorf on the North Sea coast (note the r!). That gave me the idea that "Ottdf." was the abbreviation for Otterndorf...
Your further explanation for "& Schwester" and also for "Ottendorf" near Kiel made also the whole issue much clearer. Had it been Otterndorf it is reasonable to assume that it would have been abbreviated "Ottrdf.", I think.
Next step for me: who were I. W. Böye and his/her sister and what did they do?
Thank you very much again for having taken me a good step forward


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