hallmarked tumbler

[OTNA]

Hi,
I recently acquired hallmarked tumbler the hallmark is H&H. with a phoenix emblem and the 6420. Can anyone please identify this hallmark from that description.
Many thanks
Clive

[dognose]

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Trev.

[OTNA]

Hi Trev,
Thanks for your response as always, I will send photo's early next week.
Thanks
Clive

[OTNA]

Hi Trevor,

Please find below the image of the hallmark, I described last week, I cannot send you the photo of the tumbler as the image appears to be too large.



I look forward to your advice as always

Many Thanks

Clive

[dognose]

Hi Clive,

That is the mark of Hukin & Heath of Birmingham.

See: http://www.925-1000.com/silverplate_H.html

Trev.

[OTNA]

Hi Trev,

many thanks for the information as always much appreciated. As my friend says "Everyday is a school day"

Take care

Clive

[OTNA]

One other question I have from the information received from Trev is, the firm of hukin & heath were in business from 1880 to 1953. Does the nummber 6420 also impressed on the base, actually indicate a year of manufacture or is that a pattern number. I would like to identify if possible, the age of my "tumbler". I cannot also seem to get the picture small enough to show anyone.

Thanks

Clive

[silverly]

Just a little touch on this company's working period thanks primarily to google. The 'Handbook' to the manufacturers & exporters of Great Britain, ed. by G.T. Wright [afterw.] Wright's improved handbook of the principal manufacturers, exporters, agents, merchants and warehousemen of Great Britain 1870 lists Hulkin & Heath electorplate works at 71 Newhall St, Birmingham.

[OTNA]

Thank you for the information but I have still been unable to find the answer to my question.

[silverly]

The possibilities for the meaning of the numbers on your item are many, and no doubt a method of dating could be among them. However, as a rule, I don't think that information was generally given to the end user.

[dognose]

The '6420' number refers to a pattern or batch number, it would be for internal use and does not really help in the dating of the piece unless perhaps a catalogue or similar from Hukin & Heath comes to light.

That said, I've just noticed in an advertisement from Hukin & Heath that they claimed establishment in 1855. I think our date may have come from a misprint in John Culme's Directory of Gold & Silversmiths which appears to have two conflicting dates. So the correct date of establishment should read 1855.

Trev.

[silverly]

I think the year 1855 is claimed because Hukin was in the business by then. As far as I can tell, Hukin doesn't appear in directories with Heath until 1870. William R Heath who I believe was Jonathan W Hukin's original Heath partner would have been about 16 years old in 1855.