Unknown Dutch Hallmarks

[bert070967]

These hallmarks are unknown to me. Who does recognise these?

[oel]

Hi Bert,

The mark with; 2 above T, perhaps could be a date letter for the city of Groningen and if so perhaps for the year 1744.
The figure mark; two arrows crossed could be a maker’s mark. ‘Citroen’ mentioned; arrows (2) for Groningen as, unidentified 1732…..
I have no reference to confirm date letter or maker’s mark and can’t give any guarantee. You know, we also could look at a pair of pseudo marks, oh dear. Sorry

Regards,

Oel.

[bert070967]

Hmm.. are you sure about the years? In the Groninger archive is the collection of Ms. de Visser, she has done research on silversmiths 1350-1955 in Groningen. According to these notes:

And


But that would be so early, for such a nice piece. This indeed have to be pseudo marks. According to the owner is was made in Alkmaar, but certainly that is not correct.

[oel]

Hi Bert,

Yes, the city of Groningen also used letter T in the year 1650 but I also looked for the maker’s mark, the 2 arrows, which according to ‘Citroen’ has an entry as of 1732…
As far as I know Alkmaar used a different form of date letters. Perhaps some of the other forum members could be more helpful, let us wait and see.

Regards,

Oel

[zilverik]

Hi all,

The form of the spoon isn't known for Groningen. But the datemark sure looks like the date 1648/1649 according to Groninger keur uit, Zilver uit Stad en Ommelanden; 1997; Jean-Pierre van Rijen.
The makersmark, if it is a Groninger maker, doesn't fit that year.
So: form, year and maker don't fit together.
Probably not genuine.

Regards,

Zilverik

[joho]

Hi all - Citroen lists 2 over T as a possible psuedo mark. Item 600 in "Valse Zilvermerken in Nederland" 1977. Regards John

[bert070967]

Hi all - Citroen lists 2 over T as a possible psuedo mark. Item 600 in "Valse Zilvermerken in Nederland" 1977. Regards John

Thanks.
I'am sure this is a pseudo mark.