Maker?

[joho]

Hi - can anyone help identify the maker of this small Scandinavian 'brandy' cup. I believe it may be from Finland. It looks like it dates circa 1800 to 1850. Many thanks John

[Hose_dk]

not brandy but snaps - akvavite - it is a strong liquer and this is a "sup kop" swedish "tumling" in danish. Norwegin same.
I have a match in Randers - johan andreas robsham born approx 1790 in holmstrand Norway citienship in Randers 10.8-1812 in Randers denmark. dead 1853 vidow dies in Roskilde 1862.
But th AM does not match - any danish. So it might not be him. But it looks like his mark.

[Tosten]

It could be Johan Herman Rønneberg 1818-1895 IR worked in Ålesund, Norway 1847-1870. Ålesund townmark is A
Tosten

[zilverik]

Hi,

Are you sure this is Norway, Ã…lesund?
I have a little tumling like this one, marked 37 = 1837 (7/m = stamped in july?), Bergen (7 dots). Maker CH (that I don't know). But my tumlingmarks are totally different. Alesund had no own assayoffice? A "maitre abonnee"?

Regards,

Zilverik

[joho]

Hi All - thanks very much for your help. I have just found the town mark for Turku in Finland which is the same AM as on this cup. It is on page 114 in Tardy. Still hoping for a maker. Kind regards John

[Qrt.S]

No no no , this marking has nothing to do with Turku/Ã…bo in Finland even if the mark is a bit similar. Turku's mark is the so called Maria monogram. This is not a Finnish made object, absolutely not. Finnish marking totally differs from this. Let's stick to Norway (or Denmark), I'm investigating and if I find something I'll be back tomorrow.

[zilverik]

Hi,

Yes, and now only the Finnisch maker. And who could be maker CH in Bergen 1837?

Regards,

Zilverik

[Hose_dk]

my Randers maker was just similar. I also think norway.

[Qrt.S]

Zilverik, be patient and wait!

[Hose_dk]

Hi,
(7/m = stamped in july?),
Maker CH (that I don't know).

Yes july
CH is Christian Hoff 1813 - 1860
And now for fun H is wardein - 1821 to 1860 - and yes same man as maker, but now he turned up as controling the siver taht he himself made as CH

[zilverik]

Hi all,

Sorry for my impatience and enthusiasm. I should have made a new topic of my tumling. That's the rule. It just happened to be that I wanted to make a comparison with a Norwegian tumling that I have and I realised on the spot that I didn't knew his name.
This topic is for the mystery tumling from Norway or Denmark.
Nevertheless I am happy to know from Hose_dk, and I thank him for that, that CH is Cristian Hoff and that it is not only nowadays European politics that one tests oneself. In Holland we call it: the butcher tests his own meat.

Regards,

Zilverik

[Hose_dk]

In Holland we call it: the butcher tests his own meat.

but I read your butcher as something not absolutely good / fresh meat.
The guardein wardein case is something completely different. This was because there might only be a limited number of smith in one city region. So purely nessasary. And they where honest. So he would never go on compromice with his honour.

The present selforientation me me me me & me again and then me me me me me again - no pity for your fellow your nightbour - today no honour among.
the control of one self is unthinkable.

In some countries the cheating would result in public boiling (was that not the case in Paris?)

Danish law is wery strict on stealing - this is traditional. In old times you could kill a man - then he died - end of story. But if you stole his proberty - the entire family would starve the following winter. Therefor the punishment reflected this.
Killing a man - one could pay a penalty - then the family could excist.

well could be I am off topic.