Finnish? Swedish? Russian?

[Dad]

Hi, All.

What do you think about it?

[Zolotnik]

Hi Dad -

an easy one!

The Russian marks

Townmark: St. Petersburg
Assaymaster: Sevjev Aleksandr Tomas 1892-95
Master: ИК Katorskij Ilja Ivanov 1882-1908

The Finnish marks

Import mark
Silver content 830/1000
Townmark: Helsinki
Qrt.S can tell you in Detail what all the marks mean :-)

The Swdish marks

Import marks for silver 830/1000

This piece was made in Russia and imported via Finnland to Sweden or vice versa.

Regards
Zolotnik

[Qrt.S]

Yes, the lowest series of marks are Finnish. From left: The first one is the importer's trade mark. I don't know who it is because it is not a maker's mark. The crown is the official hallmark for import (the oval shield). 813.H is the fineness that is exactly what it says i.e. 813/1000 and not anything else irrespective of what you will read in Tardy, Divis etc. The H stands for "Hopea", which is silver in Finnish. The silver fineness is , however, most likely 830-874 because the Swedish marks as from 1913 indicate that. In Finland there was not at that time a mark for 830 silver only 813, 875 and 916 therefore this lower purity (import) mark. The boat is Helsinki and V5 the year mark for 1928, the importing year. The rest is already stated.

[Dad]

Hi, All.

Thank you very much Zolotnik and Qrt.S .
I had doubts about the Finnish marks: There are many dots.
A dot in year's mark ( V.5). Why?

Best Regards, Dad.

[oel]

Hi All,

Too many dots and date letter with a dot?

In the Netherlands:
Until 1931 the assayers were personally liable for mistakes in the results of their work. Until 1931 date letters were considered to be their responsibility marks. When in the course of a year the assayer of a certain office was succeeded by another one, as a consequence the date letters of that office were provided with a distinguishing mark. Usually it was a dot, but commas, crosses and stars also occurred. There’re a few date letters bearing two dots; the result of two changes of assayer within a single year.
Could perhaps been done the same in Finland?


Regards,

Oel

[Dad]

Thank you, OEL.
It's very interesting information.

Best Regards.

[Qrt.S]

Yes Oel it is quite possible.
But first of all one minor correction V5 is 1926 not 1928 i.e. Y5 (Sorry, obviously I must buy new glasses.)
Secondly, about the dot (.) I haven't found any explanation why dots are sometimes used in connection with both the Finnish year mark as well as the fineness mark, Dot or not, both are correct. V.5. or V5 or 813H or 813.H. I have the impression that the goldsmith was allowed to himself produce the punches but ? I shall revert to this issue investigating a bit more anticipating that I find something to new to tell.

[Qrt.S]

About the dots in the Finnish year mark and fineness mark. It is purely up to the punch maker whether he liked to use dots or not. There are no rules no nothing . You are free to use it or not and some maker's do, some don't.

[Dad]

Thank you, Qrt.S. Absence of firm rules - is a lot of questions.)))

Best Reg..