Help with Hallmark on soup ladle

[lmch]

I have been researching these marks for quite a few days on various web sites as well as the several books I have and can find no information. I am including
the two photos. There are two punch marks on the inside of the bowl on either side of the handle, one says 10 and the other says CL. and has a shooting star above the letters, the star directly above the C and the tail arcs over the L.

Is this coin silver? How can you tell. What does the number 10 punched into the bowl mean?

Thanks for any information.

Leonor

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[silverport]

French silver plated ladle.

Hello Leonor

Welcome to the Forum.

Sorry, yours ladle isn't »COIN« silver - but a plated French article.

The Hallmark on yours ladle isn't a »Hallmark« - it's a French maker's mark. In France are all maker's marks of plated articles in a square cartouche, or the name (most times in capitals, e.g. CHRISTOFLE) in a rectangle.

On plated articles you could/would never find a »Hallmark«. Except in one case, from which we've got knowledge in »925-1000« - in the Czech Assay Office in Brno was a plated article Laser marked, to be made from a silver alloy of 925-1,000 or a higher fineness.

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It's common that the warranty for plated articles is that of the producer.

In yours case the number 10, in a square, is the warranty of the producer, to have been used 10 gram silver in the plate processing of this ladle.

Please read these explanations: http://www.925-1000.com/a_platenumbers.html

Sorry, I don't know the maker.

Kind regards silverport

[lmch]

Thanks for pointing me to the French section on the site. The CL with the shooting star would seem to be the mark of Cincinnatus Lorillon, who worked in Paris from 1813 to 1849.

There is not a whole lot more info.

Thanks,
leonor

[silverport]

Some thing maybe ‘similar’ but is often not ‘similar’!

Hello Leonor

It’s very nice that you’ve already developed the ability to make also yours own research here and there — Congratulations!

I had requested you to read the explanations on »Plate numbers«: http://www.925-1000.com/a_platenumbers.html

There you’ve in an example of e.g. the French company for plated articles, »ERCUIS« of the numerical »10« - and it’s explanations of signification.

A few lines below the right side placed »ERCUIS« image the attend reader would be informed, that »The maker’s mark or the retailer’s mark, these never came in a lozenge (this form [in a lozenge] is found only on solid silver), but again most often in a square or rectangle«.

But during yours search for maker’s mark you’ve find a maker’s mark, which is in a lozenge, and not in a square. So, similarities don’t exist ! Also if there are some ‘similar’ details, you’ve described in yours first question.

On Cincinnatus Lorillon exist also another point of discrepancy: 1813 to 1849 you write — but there in »925-1000« are mentioned »1839«, and not »1849«.

Another point is, Cincinnatus Lorillon product range isn’t mentioned too — maybe he was a jeweller, but not a cutlery maker?

Well, the pattern is a so called »Ribbon pattern« or »Thread pattern« - not only in that time span one of the classic pattern.

I request you to read this information too; it's on two plated cutlery makers:

Elkington, England: http://www.925-1000.com/M_Elkington.html

Christofle, France: http://www.925-1000.com/a_christofle.html

There you would learn that electro plated cutlery was in 1839 still in the cradle!

So a ladle as yours, plated with perfection, and signed in conformity of latter French laws from the end of XIX century, could never be made from Cincinnatus Lorillon!

Sorry again, I don't know the maker.

Kind regards silverport