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Karen Hewitt
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Help ID mark

Postby Karen Hewitt » Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:05 pm

Hello, I am unable to find this mark in my books. Item is a footed trivet, thank you.

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Re: Help ID mark

Postby 2209patrick » Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:44 pm

Hello.

That is a silverplate mark used by the Barbour Silver Comany. Check here:
http://www.925-1000.com/silverplate_B.html

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Re: Help ID mark

Postby silverport » Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:49 pm

Barbour Silver Co.; from 1898: International Silver Co., in Hartford, CT

Hello Karen

Please look here (left side, top area): http://www.925-1000.com/silverplate_B.html

Then after please look here (right side): http://www.925-1000.com/silverplate_I.html

Kind regards silverport

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Re: Help ID mark

Postby Karen Hewitt » Wed Oct 20, 2010 8:59 pm

Thanks so much! Does the Barbour mark then mean the trivet dates between 1892 and 1898- when Barbour became a division of International? Or did International continue the use of the Barbour mark? How does one tell the trivet is silverplate and not sterling? Wish I was more sophistocated about the letters "CEP" and the the triple *** under the mark.

With ongoing thanks,
Karen

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Re: Help ID mark

Postby 2209patrick » Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:12 am

You're welcome.

International Silver continued to use the Barbour trademark into 1931.
It wouls be marked sterling or .925 if it wasn't silverplated.

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Re: Help ID mark

Postby Karen Hewitt » Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:58 am

Pat,
Thank you so very much for your help!
Karen

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Re: Help ID mark

Postby silverport » Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:50 pm

»CEP« and »***« are (internal) indications for the quality of plate?

Hello Karen

May I add some remarks on the markings:

The scratched »B« could be an external sign of property, if it was e.g. lent for a get together?

»99« is maybe in this case the model number — helpful in the warehouse and for the commerce too.

»CEP« wasn’t visible in yours images - » EP« signification is »Electro Plated«.

»***« could be, that is a guess of me, an internal indication for the, on first sight not visible, quality of plate.

Commercial side-effect would maybe, that the clients remember the quality indication with stars in other places, like e.g. hotels, restaurants …

In the United Kingdom and in the States it was/is normally usual to indicate the quality of plate by use of letters:

AI or A1 = extra strong Plate, A = good strong Plate, B = well plated, C = lighter Plate, D = lighter Plate.

As example of the being used gram of silver for 12 table spoon or table forks (by Barker Bros. Birmingham, UK; around 1900-1910):

A1 = extra strong Plate Quality = 32 gram on 12 pieces = 2 2/3 gram per table spoon or table fork
A = good strong Plate Quality = 24 gram on 12 pieces = 2 gram per table spoon or table fork
B = well plated Quality = 16 gram on 12 pieces = 1 1/3 gram per table spoon or table fork
C = lighter Plate Quality = 12 gram on 12 pieces = 1 gram per table spoon or table fork
D = lighter Plate Quality = 6 gram on 12 pieces = 1/2 gram per table spoon or table fork

In Europe, e.g. in France and Germany, it was usual to indicate directly visible the gram of silver being used; if yours trivet were a French or German product, then there were indicated the gram of silver per (whole) unit.

Please look here for the indications:

http://www.925-1000.com/a_platenumbers.html

Maybe this is a little help and informative too.

Kind regards silverport

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Re: Help ID mark

Postby Karen Hewitt » Thu Oct 21, 2010 5:59 pm

Silverport, thank you for the additional information. You clearly are knowledgeable and I so appreciate any pointers shared!

Karen


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