Two date letters - confused!

[techsol]

Hi, I have this fish serving fork with full London hallmarks. It is made by Gorham Manufacturing Co, the American firm who I believe had a factory in Birmingham. What is confusing me is that it appears to have two distinctive date letter marks. Has anybody come across this before, or is it quite a common occurrence? Are the date letters for two different hallmarking offices? Any help greatly appreciated.

[agphile]

The F is for "Foreign", i.e. imported by Gorham into the UK.

[silverport]

Hello

The letter »F«, which is in yours opinion a »date letter« too, as I know is struck on objects with only a little space area for the punches; and the signification of the letter »F« is »Foreign« = »Imported«.

The real »date letter« is the »i«, which stand for 1904 - a year, when another new system of »Foreign« or »Import« marks were introduced or came in force.

I don't know that Gorham in GB has had an own production facility?

Kind regards silverport

[dognose]

Yes, indeed they did produce silver and plated ware in England, but only for about five years.

Gorham was repesented in Great Britain, firstly by an agency in 1894 and then by opening showrooms at Ely Place, Holborn in 1904, this would be the likely source of techsol's fork.

In 1909 they took over the 'Sterling Works' at Barr Street, Birmingham, but ceased production upon the outbreak of the Great War in 1914.

Trev.

[silverly]

You may already know, but if not the pattern is Norfolk which is also known as Villa Norfolk. It appears that the pattern was introduced the same year as your hallmark, 1904.

[techsol]

Many thanks everyone for the replies.

If it indeed was produced over here, would it still be classed as foreign and therefore require the F hallmark?

[agphile]

F mark was only required for imported items and not any made in the UK.

[silverport]

Hello

On yours last question, you would find the answer very easy, if you read again the in the contributions explained facts:

I repeat: London year letter »i« = 1904.

»dognose« has already explained that the factory was in function by »Gorham« 1909-1914.

Now find please the confusing gap by yourself, and the correct clue; thank you!

Kind regards silverport

[spobby]

Wow silverport,
That seems a very patronising answer to an innocent question. Although it may seem an obvious question to 'experts' it is actually interesting to others
Regards
John

[silverport]

Hello »spobby«

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