what's your opinion about this set ?

[aghino]

I have this amaziong set, excellent quality, grate chasing umbelivable work !

The only mark is under the pot, and is not very clear, on my opinion considering the shape

is a Austro - Hungsrian marks

for 800 silver between 1872 - 1922

do you think the style of the set can help to discover the origion ?

Thanks for your help

[silverport]

Hello Agostino

Please imagine yourself, you had to answer or give an opinion on an unknown item, with an in reality "invisible" mark; what would you personally say, or make as a statement?

We haven't the object!

I've enlarged on the screen - but the mark remained a grey in grey jungle.

By one mark only, are wringing by me all alarm bells! Well in relation to the object.

I guess: Your set is made from »Britannia metal« - in your case maybe with a high content of tin in it’s alloy.

I request you - also for your future questions: Please give at least one »clear« photo of the mark's - one in a kind of overview (as in your recent »London« question - but why London?), and at least one of each mark itself, or group of near to each other struck marks.

Kind regards silverport

[aghino]

I undestand, it's very difficult, for that reason i posted few pictures,
however I can grant 100 % the set is silver made and not britannia metal, I tested it !

Thanks Agostino

[silverport]

Hello Agostino,

Thank you for your replay!

That’s never in »925-1000« the point, how many pictures are placed to sound a question!

In this your case, it’s a little bit more difficult for reason of contraries: You prise the chase work like as a seller - and in reality it seems, you like to get knowledge on the maker’s mark, and the maker itself!

You’ve buy or get these objects, so you know already their stylistics and quality — we are be able seeing these in the photos you’ve accompanied as well.

But for to show the mark you have spent only one photo, on which the very important marks and solder area is only about 1/30th of the space you’ve had, for to could explain and sound your question.

I request you again, please ad as an addition to this topic of tea set a good visible photo of the mark itself — from the solder area, we don’t need a close up any more.

By the way: How have you tested that’s silver?

For acid testing, please look e.g. to this topic from 2005:

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wev Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:04 pm Post subject:
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Ah, the nickname should have been a clue. . .

Your test has told you absolutely nothing past the fact that the surface is silver -- as one would expect in sterling, coin, or silverplate. As in books and looks, it's what lies beneath that counts.

Both pieces are silverplate.
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antiquer Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 2:50 pm Post subject:

Acid testing on silver is not very reliable and always damages the piece.
Just for a laugh, try silver testing acid on:
iron
pewter
lead
steel
Any of these can and have been silverplated. You already found the results of acid testing on silverplated Britannia metal.
Cheers, AinA
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Agostino, thank you for cooperation and understanding!

Kind regards silverport

[aghino]

I posted just one pics, of the hallmark becuase it's the best one I get in bigger size, I have other with the complete base, but believe the result to se the hallmark is very very difficult .

However the silver test has been made scratching the surface and than acid

Thanks

[silverport]

Hello Agostino,

Thank you for the explanation. It’s a pity that we must wait until by incidence somebody has a part of an equal set; and that he or she maybe take contact to »925-1000«, showing a more “visible” mark’s picture.

By the way: That mark on your items isn’t a »Hallmark«! It’s (maybe) a »maker’s mark« only.

I’m still wondering, now more then already ever before, that on 5 pieces only one bear a »maker’s mark« which is some thing of being “visible”.

Also I’m still wondering, that on these 5 pieces isn’t any »assay mark« or warranty mark for silver.

Yes, you’ve spend the money — and actually the grant is from you for you only; no more.

By my experience, and I’ve handled a lot of pieces, the doubts resist. Until final contrary’s it’s my opinion: Made from Britannia alloy.

Please read in this topic my advice how you could get an image of mark, made by observation and drawing:

viewtopic.php?t=19420

Another solution is: Make with a camera, e.g. of 12 Mb pixels, a shot from some distance — and in your computer make a clip out of the mark only. These 12 Mb pixels cameras are in Europe already in sale for around 60-70 Euro.

I hope and wish that all get more knowledge, also in this case.

Kind regards silverport

[admin]

Lovely set, beautiful pictures, but perhaps you could try for a better image of the mark.
Thanks, Tom

[Theoderich]

I posted just one pics, of the hallmark becuase it's the best one I get in bigger size, I have other with the complete base, but believe the result to se the hallmark is very very difficult .

I wrote a little guide in German, but the images speak for themselves
http://silberpunze.piranho.de/Silber/WF ... nahmen.JPG

[aghino]

I tried many ways to obtain a larger picture of the mark
in larger size it's very difficult understand, what's the real mark, and if it's a real marlk or only a sign of workmanship .

The only thing I have for sure, is that the set is made in 800 silver

Thanks

[silverport]

Hello Agostino,

Haven’t an object, but must give a sounded diagnosis - maybe just now you understand the problem of us?

But make the following: Take a marker and blacken the background, or “fond” — and then make again some photos.

Please make photos of all marks from all of the five objects — including the 800 marks please.

Kind regards silverport

[aghino]

I understand, but probably you didn't read my first message, there is only a mark and only on 1 piece, and it's absolutely not clear, I asked the silver test from a friend of mine and confirmed that is 800 silver .

Thanks

[silverport]

Hello Agostino

Thank you for your response!

I've read ALL - until yours last notice it wasn't clear that the whole set has only one mark.

I've still my doubts - because this isn't "normal". In time of Russian Empire e.g. each part has got several marks - in Austria-Hungary as well!

So it remain unsolved.

Kind regards silverport

[aghino]

yes, unfortunately the mistery remain unsolved, as told I only know that is 800 silver, other idea I have in my mind, is that the set could be Italian made, in my life I found few masterpiece Italian made in 800 silve but without any mark .

Thanks
Agostino