some marks from Mainz (19. century)

[Theoderich]

Who are the masters and in which time the different townmarks were used?
Martin





PR EBERT

J.LUTZ

[blakstone]

None of these maker’s marks is shown in Scheffler, but the first two were identified by Werner Schmidt in Weltkunst magazine:

“Martin”, script = Philipp Bernhard Martin (1793-1850), the firm still active 1876, Schmidt mark #15; Scheffler maker #187

“PH. EBERT” = Philipp Ebert, Sr. (1839-1880), Schmidt mark #18; Scheffler maker #195

Although not shown in either reference, “J. LUTZ” is almost certainly the mark of the firm of Joseph Lutz (1807-1884), Scheffler maker #183. The firm was founded by his grandfather Johann Anton Lutz, Sr. (1773-1863), continued by his father Johann Anton Lutz, Jr. (1786-1833) and uncle Ignatz Joseph Lutz (1788-1865), and existed at least until the 1920’s under the direction of his son Joseph Anton Lutz (1842-1956). (Scheffler makers #139, 150, 152 & 206, respectively.)

Unfortunately, a conclusive timeline for the various 19th century Mainz city marks has not been established. Your best bet for dating them is stylistic evidence, which is why it’s always a good idea to show photos of the items as well.

Hope this helps!

Ref:
Wolfgang Scheffler, Goldschmiede Hessens (Berlin: de Gruyter, 1976), pp. 677-696 passim.
Werner Schmidt, “Mainz”, in Weltkunst, 15 Nov 1999 (v. 14), pp. 2444-2445.

[Theoderich]

I thank You blakstone for Your help.
I have some other marks (I think also from Mainz) without a townmark.
The names are [B.SCHAD.] and [F.SCHOTT].

[blakstone]

“F.SCHOTT” = Mainz firm of Johann Friedrich Bonaventura Schott (1752-1822), continued by his sons Christoph Joseph Schott (1790-1864) & Johann Anselm Schott (1809-1893). (Scheffler mark #832, Mainz makers #134a, 162 & 176)

There is no “B.SCHAD” in Mainz. Very probably it is the mark of Johann Balthasar Schad/Schadt (1821-aft. 1870), citizen in 1849 in nearby Darmstadt. (Scheffler, Darmstadt maker #62)

[silverport]

Hello

It’s a curious thing — always in the past I’ve combined the same, Schott in Mainz.

But now, some weeks ago I’ve buy a dessert knife (blade and hollow handle, whole made in 13 Lot silver; marked on blade: 13 [in a square]; F.V. [Antique letters, in a rectangle]; 13 [in a square]). Monogram in script ligature: CK

A dessert fork in lancet pattern - with similar monogram — is marked: Schott [Script letters, in a rectangle]; Frankfort hall mark [Eagle / 13, in a cartouche of eagles shape].

Well, it could be that my Schott is a family’ member of Schott silversmith’s. It could be the same as it is by Rückert’s in Frankfort and Mainz?




Kind regards silverport

[Theoderich]

Thank You again blakstone.

hallo silverport
This is the mark of the Mainz F.SCHOTT.


I have also a mark [G.V.] and [13] and an other mark and a <K> in a "Raute" and [13] (could be also from Mainz)

Kind Regard
Theoderich

[blakstone]

No relationship is shown in Scheffler between the Schotts of Frankfurt and Mainz, so if they were related it was probably distantly.

The Frankfurt “Schott” mark is that of the firm of Johann Heinrich Philipp Schott Söhne, founded by J.P.H. Schott (Master 1776, d. 1813). The script mark here is associated with his son, Johann Martin Schott (1786-1822), whose widow, Justina Maria Wilhelmina Friederica Lauk continued the firm until her death in 1869, though doubtless it was primarily run by her brother-in-law Freidrich Ernst Wülcker (1783-1856) and his son Philipp Heinrich Wülcker (1807-1880). (Scheffler marks #324-326; Frankfurt makers #492, 548, 543 & 567)

The “FV” is also probably from Frankfurt: Peter Franz Vigelius (1765-1837; Master 1791) (Scheffler mark #308a; Frankfurt maker #521)