unknown "P"-mark on al lancette spoon

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unknown "P"-mark on al lancette spoon

Postby R ingo » Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:16 am

Hello,
knows someone, whether the "P"-mark is e city mark and what city it is?

Kind regards,
Ringo


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Re: unknown "P"-mark on al lancette spoon

Postby Theoderich » Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:27 pm

Could it be Parchim in Germany?

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Postby JAKJO » Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:26 pm

Hi,

We are lucky!

It is Penzlin in Mecklenburg-Schwerin ("P" in a square #523) and the maker IFG (IFG in a square # 525) is Johann Friedrich Theodor Gotthardt # 2, he married as a gold- and silverworker in 1824.

Wolfgang Scheffler (1980): Goldschmiede Mittel- und Nordost-Deutschlands: Von Wernigerode bis Lauenburg in Pommern: Daten, Werke, Zeichen. Berlin, New York: Walter de Gruyter

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Postby R ingo » Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:43 am

Hallo JAKJO,
I thank You very much for Your Help. Indeet I have the spoon from Mecklenburg-Vorpommern.

Kind regards,
Ringo

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Postby Theoderich » Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:25 am

Thank You JAKJO
Have You an image of a mark of Parchim (Mecklenburg-Schwerin) from the middle of 19. Century?

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Postby JAKJO » Tue Dec 08, 2009 6:39 am

Hi,

It was a very qualified presumption! The mark is nearly identical.

Here is the Parchim an der Elde mark reproduced in Scheffler as #502 from a church silver item from The S. Marienkirche in Parchim by Johann Heinrich MICHAEL with an engraving 1847. Scheffler also mentions a "Crowned P" #501) on a church silver piece by Michael engraved 1813.

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Scheffler has listed Steinman (Steinmann) as #20, mark #517 as a Parchim silversmith, but he is not sure, the mark illustrated in his book is from a teaspoon engraved "FK 1851".

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Postby Theoderich » Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:21 am

This is great JAKJO

A difference is the underline on the P from Parchim

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Postby silverly » Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:54 am

Could it be that the P in the 502 drawing does not have an underline, but rather that the stem of the P is not well formed on the mark? The stem or vertical portion of the letter P seems a bit short.


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