Hammered Silver bowl with unknown markings

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Astrogem
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Hammered Silver bowl with unknown markings

Postby Astrogem » Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:32 am

Hi All

My wife bought this bowl in Johannesburg, South Africa. We have looked in our reference books and online and have been unable to identify the marks. Your help would be much appreciated.

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Postby admin » Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:52 pm

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Hi,
A better mark image would help significantly, also please provide a description of the marks as you see them.
Thanks, Tom

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Postby rat-tail » Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:59 pm

Hi - I've seen this mark on good quality Rhodesian (now Zimbabwe) silver plate. I think the company was called Royal Sable (but don't quote me on that - I'm trying to recall a piece I've seen with a sticker underneath). Very much in the style of the copper pieces that country produced, which were sometimes plated. The quality of the plating was always good. Sorry i can't be of more help.

Regards Frank

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Description of marks

Postby Astrogem » Wed Sep 16, 2009 4:54 am

admin wrote:Image

Hi,
A better mark image would help significantly, also please provide a description of the marks as you see them.
Thanks, Tom


Hi Tom

The first mark looks a bit like a Clown's head. The initials are JMP. The second mark looks like a phoenix and the last mark is H1
Regards
Grant

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Postby Astrogem » Wed Sep 16, 2009 4:55 am

rat-tail wrote:Hi - I've seen this mark on good quality Rhodesian (now Zimbabwe) silver plate. I think the company was called Royal Sable (but don't quote me on that - I'm trying to recall a piece I've seen with a sticker underneath). Very much in the style of the copper pieces that country produced, which were sometimes plated. The quality of the plating was always good. Sorry i can't be of more help.

Regards Frank


Thanks Frank

This is a good clue. I will follow this up and let you know if I am able to confirm it.
Regards
Grant

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Postby StantonRoux » Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:36 am

I have a silver bowl with similar marks.

I am also looking for a maker and date and if its really silver.

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Postby salmoned » Thu Oct 01, 2009 5:13 pm

It seems with a good magnifier, you could read the writing around the edge of the third mark from the left in the last photo ...

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Postby 2209patrick » Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:18 pm

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Response from Manufacturer

Postby Astrogem » Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:08 am

Hi All

I managed to contact Bruce Johnson at Copperwares in Zimbabwe. Please see his comments below.

"This was a company called Industrial Metal Products previously owned by Anglo American it was bought out many years ago by Copperwares but we do not use this Hall mark on current product and do not make this product any more"

This explains the initials IMP (not JMP as I first thought).

Regards
Grant

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Postby dognose » Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:26 am

Hi Grant,

Many thanks for posting this information.

Did Bruce Johnson give any indication as to whether such pieces are silver or plated?

Regards Trev.


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