Unidentified mark on German? ivory box, Hanau?

[jackk]

I cannot identify the mark on a nice box. The middle part is some sort of a bone (most likely ivory), the top is a thick eggshell.

Any help with this one? It looks like a bird in a square cartouche, also there is a 13 and a moon. Is it Hanau?

[Theoderich]

have You Rosenberg Band2 ?

Ilmenau (Sachsen) 17. Jh.
Lf Nr. 2573

looks like this



I think Ilmenau is today in Thuringia - it was Sachsen long time ago.

If I am right - this mark is good for the Encyclopedia
it is a very nice box - a little treasure.

I begrudge you.

Is there a little Storry abaut this Box?

[jackk]

Thanks Theoderich,

I located this mark for Ilmenau in Rosenberg, but it is not exactly the same. Therefore, I am a little skeptical and resilient to attribute this box to this city and year. Of course, I would be extremely flattened if it turns out to be exactly that! :)
The bone piece (unfortunately damaged) seems to be very old. I do not know anything about jewels, therefore I cannot judge by examining them.

I do not know any more history about this box beyond me purchasing it for a decent price. :)

[Theoderich]

Ilmenau (Thuringia)

Near by Ilmenau was a Silver & Copper mining in 17. century.
In 18. century the mining was reactivated by Johann Wolfgang Goethe - a german poet - but it was a flop.

[jackk]

Here is an example of Ilmenau mark that I was able to find in one of the silver auction catalogs. Again, this mark looks different than those documented by Rosenberg.

[Theoderich]

Again, this mark looks different than those documented by Rosenberg.

Rosenberg3 Band 1
"Vorwort zu ersten Auflagen" (page VI)

"Da es mir bei der Wiedergabe der Marken neben der Treue auch ganz besonders auf Deutlichkeit ankam, habe ich dieselben meistens mit mit den Zufälligkeiten aufgenommen, welche sie auf den einzelnen Stücke zeigen, sondern habe sie als Typus behandelt und in doppelter Größe mit schematischer Wiedergabe von Licht und Schatten reproduzieren lassen."

[jackk]

I was able to find similar marks on a very impressive tankard. There was one more mark of crossed swords.

Again middle part was either carved ivory or some sort of a bone (not an expert in this field). The style points to Germany.

[Theoderich]

Here is an example of Ilmenau mark that I was able to find in one of the silver auction catalogs. Again, this mark looks different than those documented by Rosenberg.

this image is now in the Encyclopedia - as the townmark of "Frankfurt (Oder)"

[jackk]

Thanks Theoderich, this could or could not be correct. I took this image from either Sothebys or Christies catalog as silver mark of Ilmenau.

[Theoderich]

Thanks Theoderich, this could or could not be correct. I took this image from either Sothebys or Christies catalog as silver mark of Ilmenau.

I find now an other mark like yours -
I am not sure - it is Imenau or Frankfurt-Oder
http://iibm08.inf.uni-jena.de/~team08/c ... _I_A_L.JPG

[jackk]

Both of these items have a very similar "bird" mark, crescent, and loth number. I tend to think they came from the same shop.

[Theoderich]

Could it be, that this townmark is from Strausberg in Brandenburg?


http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strausberg