It is 12.25 inches ( 31.1 cm) long.
Engraved with the Arms of the Duke of Kent, father of Queen Victoria.
What is it called or used for ?
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What-is-it question CXXI.
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What-is-it question CXXI.
This piece is hallmarked London 1801, John Edwards.
It is 12.25 inches ( 31.1 cm) long.
Engraved with the Arms of the Duke of Kent, father of Queen Victoria.
What is it called or used for ?
Pat.
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It is 12.25 inches ( 31.1 cm) long.
Engraved with the Arms of the Duke of Kent, father of Queen Victoria.
What is it called or used for ?
Pat.
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Hi Pat,
With such an unusual, perhaps unique, piece, it’s not surprising that different opinions are met. Apparently when this item was sold by Christies at the HRH Augustus Frederick, Duke of Sussex; sale in 1843 it was described as “ a baking pan with pieced cover” but in 1963 Arthur Grimwade’s thoughts were that its probable use was that of a fish kettle
Grimwade detailed ‘ The pieced strainer is attached to the conical handle by which it can be lifted out; and it is apparent that a rod, which presumably originally had a finger-ring at the top, passed down the handle through the strainer to another plate below which could be raised to lift and hold the fish out of the kettle. This allowed the liquid to seep upwards through the top plate and return to the pan below.’*
It is thought that the pan was part of the official plate supplied to the Duke of Kent upon his appointment as Governor of Gibraltar in 1802.
Grimwade traced the history of this pan following the Duke of Sussex’s sale, where it was purchased by Sir Horace Seymour for £18-1s-6d, to Sir Horace’s second wife, Lady Clinton. Thereafter, “it disappeared from sight until found black with tarnish in the cellars of 28, St James Place, London in 1915”.
It was acquired in 1982 as an addition to the ‘Gilbert Collection’ and I believe is housed at the Los Angles County Museum of Art.
"Potato-Pasty pan"! really Pat.
* Arthur G. Grimwade ‘Silver at Althorp: IV. The Rococo and Regency Periods.’ The Connoisseur, 154, December 1963.
Regards Trev.
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With such an unusual, perhaps unique, piece, it’s not surprising that different opinions are met. Apparently when this item was sold by Christies at the HRH Augustus Frederick, Duke of Sussex; sale in 1843 it was described as “ a baking pan with pieced cover” but in 1963 Arthur Grimwade’s thoughts were that its probable use was that of a fish kettle
Grimwade detailed ‘ The pieced strainer is attached to the conical handle by which it can be lifted out; and it is apparent that a rod, which presumably originally had a finger-ring at the top, passed down the handle through the strainer to another plate below which could be raised to lift and hold the fish out of the kettle. This allowed the liquid to seep upwards through the top plate and return to the pan below.’*
It is thought that the pan was part of the official plate supplied to the Duke of Kent upon his appointment as Governor of Gibraltar in 1802.
Grimwade traced the history of this pan following the Duke of Sussex’s sale, where it was purchased by Sir Horace Seymour for £18-1s-6d, to Sir Horace’s second wife, Lady Clinton. Thereafter, “it disappeared from sight until found black with tarnish in the cellars of 28, St James Place, London in 1915”.
It was acquired in 1982 as an addition to the ‘Gilbert Collection’ and I believe is housed at the Los Angles County Museum of Art.
"Potato-Pasty pan"! really Pat.
* Arthur G. Grimwade ‘Silver at Althorp: IV. The Rococo and Regency Periods.’ The Connoisseur, 154, December 1963.
Regards Trev.
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I've found a recipe for this dish in Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management: a Victorian cook book which also gives crucial advice on how to deal with one's servants.
Mode.–Place the meat, cut in small pieces, at the bottom of the pan; season it with pepper and salt, and add the gravy and butter broken, into small pieces. Put on the perforated plate, with its valve-pipe screwed on, and fill up the whole space to the top of the tube with nicely-mashed potatoes mixed with a little milk, and finish the surface of them in any ornamental manner. If carefully baked, the potatoes will be covered with a delicate brown crust, retaining all the savoury steam rising from the meat. Send it to table as it comes from the oven, with a napkin folded round it.
Time.–40 to 60 minutes. Average cost, 2s.
Sufficient for 4 or 5 persons. Seasonable at any time.
Miles
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Mode.–Place the meat, cut in small pieces, at the bottom of the pan; season it with pepper and salt, and add the gravy and butter broken, into small pieces. Put on the perforated plate, with its valve-pipe screwed on, and fill up the whole space to the top of the tube with nicely-mashed potatoes mixed with a little milk, and finish the surface of them in any ornamental manner. If carefully baked, the potatoes will be covered with a delicate brown crust, retaining all the savoury steam rising from the meat. Send it to table as it comes from the oven, with a napkin folded round it.
Time.–40 to 60 minutes. Average cost, 2s.
Sufficient for 4 or 5 persons. Seasonable at any time.
Miles
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Hi Pat,
It looks to me that possibily Arthur Grimwade and I, may have come to the wrong conclusion. I am now more inclined to believe Mrs Beeton's attribution purely because the dating of her book was much closer to the time that the pan was made. Often the uses of more obscure articles can get lost over a period of time, but in this case, to me, there is no doubting that her illustration and John Edward's pan have exactly the same use.
A Potato Pasty-pan is surely what this piece is!
Regards Trev.
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It looks to me that possibily Arthur Grimwade and I, may have come to the wrong conclusion. I am now more inclined to believe Mrs Beeton's attribution purely because the dating of her book was much closer to the time that the pan was made. Often the uses of more obscure articles can get lost over a period of time, but in this case, to me, there is no doubting that her illustration and John Edward's pan have exactly the same use.
A Potato Pasty-pan is surely what this piece is!
Regards Trev.
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