London
An additional mark for J.C. Vickery noted on a match striker assayed under their name by the London Assay Office in 1906:
J.C. VICKERY/TO THE QUEEN/181 & 183 REGENT St. W
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British Additional Marks
Re: British Additional Marks
J.C. VICKERY
London
An additional mark for J.C. Vickery noted on a match striker assayed under their name by the London Assay Office in 1906:
J.C. VICKERY/TO THE QUEEN/181 & 183 REGENT St. W
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London
An additional mark for J.C. Vickery noted on a match striker assayed under their name by the London Assay Office in 1906:
J.C. VICKERY/TO THE QUEEN/181 & 183 REGENT St. W
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ROBERTS & BELK Ltd.
Furnival Works, 38, Furnival Street, Sheffield
An example of the additional 'Lamp' mark of Roberts & Belk accompanying a 1919 Sheffield hallmark:
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Furnival Works, 38, Furnival Street, Sheffield
An example of the additional 'Lamp' mark of Roberts & Belk accompanying a 1919 Sheffield hallmark:
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Re: British Additional Marks
B.H.L
An additional mark of 'B.H.L' noted on a William Needham pocket-knife, assayed at Sheffield in 1935:
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An additional mark of 'B.H.L' noted on a William Needham pocket-knife, assayed at Sheffield in 1935:
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WALTER THORNHILL & Co.
London
Retailer mark of Walter Thornhill & Co., 144, New Bond Street, London:
THORNHILL/144/BOND ST
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London
Retailer mark of Walter Thornhill & Co., 144, New Bond Street, London:
THORNHILL/144/BOND ST
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J.H. PONTIFEX
London
Retailer mark of J.H. Pontifex, Buckingham Palace Road, London:
J.H. PONTIFEX - BUCKINGHAM PALACE ROAD - LONDON
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London
Retailer mark of J.H. Pontifex, Buckingham Palace Road, London:
J.H. PONTIFEX - BUCKINGHAM PALACE ROAD - LONDON
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WILSON & SHARP Ltd.
Edinburgh
Retailer mark of Wilson & Sharp of 139, Princes Street, Edinburgh:
WILSON & SHARP Ltd/EDINBURGH
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Edinburgh
Retailer mark of Wilson & Sharp of 139, Princes Street, Edinburgh:
WILSON & SHARP Ltd/EDINBURGH
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JOSEPH RODGERS & SONS Ltd.
6, Norfolk Street, Sheffield
Another version of the mark of The Six Pointed Star and Maltese Cross found as an additional mark on sterling silver products of Joseph Rodgers & Sons Ltd.:
See: http://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic ... ers#p83529
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6, Norfolk Street, Sheffield
Another version of the mark of The Six Pointed Star and Maltese Cross found as an additional mark on sterling silver products of Joseph Rodgers & Sons Ltd.:
See: http://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic ... ers#p83529
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SHARMAN D. NEILL
Belfast
Retailer mark of Sharman D. Neill of Belfast:
SHARMAN D. NEILL/BELFAST
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Belfast
Retailer mark of Sharman D. Neill of Belfast:
SHARMAN D. NEILL/BELFAST
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ELKINGTON & Co.
Sheffield
Additional mark struck on a piece by Elkington & Co. assayed at Sheffield 1968:
ELKINGTON/Sterling Silver/ENGLAND
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Sheffield
Additional mark struck on a piece by Elkington & Co. assayed at Sheffield 1968:
ELKINGTON/Sterling Silver/ENGLAND
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HENRY PIDDUCK & SONS
175 Lord Street, Southport. Market Square, Hanley. 24, St. Ann's Square, Manchester
Retailer mark of Henry Pidduck & Sons:
PIDDUCK & SONS Ltd/HANLEY/AND SOUTHPORT
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175 Lord Street, Southport. Market Square, Hanley. 24, St. Ann's Square, Manchester
Retailer mark of Henry Pidduck & Sons:
PIDDUCK & SONS Ltd/HANLEY/AND SOUTHPORT
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SYDNEY & Co.
Powell Street, later Summerhill Road, Birmingham
Additional 'PATENT' mark on a card case by Sydney & Co.:
1905 - PATENT
S&Co - Birmingham - 1905 - PATENT
See: viewtopic.php?f=38&t=14729&p=164461&hil ... ey#p164461
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Powell Street, later Summerhill Road, Birmingham
Additional 'PATENT' mark on a card case by Sydney & Co.:
1905 - PATENT
S&Co - Birmingham - 1905 - PATENT
See: viewtopic.php?f=38&t=14729&p=164461&hil ... ey#p164461
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CARRS
Sheffield
Additional mark struck on a piece by Carrs assayed at Sheffield 2005:
CARRS/SILVER/SHEFFIELD ENGLAND
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Sheffield
Additional mark struck on a piece by Carrs assayed at Sheffield 2005:
CARRS/SILVER/SHEFFIELD ENGLAND
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BROOK & SON
Edinburgh
Retailer mark of Brook & Son of Edinburgh:
BROOK & SON/87, GEORGE ST./EDINBURGH
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Edinburgh
Retailer mark of Brook & Son of Edinburgh:
BROOK & SON/87, GEORGE ST./EDINBURGH
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CHARLES ALEXANDER
Douglas. Isle of Man
An additional mark of a triskelion taken from the Manx coat of arms noted with a London import mark, the sponsor being Charles George Alexander:
CGA - London - 1981
CGA - London - 1981
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Douglas. Isle of Man
An additional mark of a triskelion taken from the Manx coat of arms noted with a London import mark, the sponsor being Charles George Alexander:
CGA - London - 1981
CGA - London - 1981
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CHILD & CHILD
London
Another example of the ''Sunflower' mark of Child & Child:
CC - J.B (Brownett & Co. - Jane Brownett) - London - 1887
See: http://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic ... ild#p56682
and: http://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic ... tt#p167251
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London
Another example of the ''Sunflower' mark of Child & Child:
CC - J.B (Brownett & Co. - Jane Brownett) - London - 1887
See: http://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic ... ild#p56682
and: http://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic ... tt#p167251
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Re: British Additional Marks
J.Birdsall Skipton (Part 2).
I recently came across a hallmarked silver spoon with an interesting marking relating to a likely retailer.
The set of hallmarks indicate this spoon was made in Sheffield by “John Round & Son Ltd”. “silvermakersmarks.co.uk” further tells us this particular “JR” mark was used 1878-1906 and that the assay date letter “k” was for 1902.
Now I am hoping a few other members of the forum will think the extra mark is worth research. It is a starting point for uncovering a bit more about the Skipton , North Yorkshire business of “J.Birdsall & Sons” whoever they might have been.
A little trawl on the inter net threw up a couple of informative images with Skipton addresses for the “J Birdsall” name and confusingly another “Birdsall” name. This the watchmaker, “Samuel Birdsall”. For more on him please see:
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=52676#p165384
The first helpful image is a pocket watch key and from it we get a shop address of “39 High Street Skipton”.
This address generated a London Gazzett Notice from July 1903 just a year after the spoon’s assay date.
NOTICE is hereby given, that the Partnership heretofore subsisting between us the undersigned, John William Birdsall and Harry Birdsall, carrying on business as Jewellers and Opticians, at High-street, Skipton, under the style or firm of "J. BIRDSALL AND SONS," has been dissolved by mutual consent as and from the twentieth day of June 1903. All debts owing bv the said late firm will be paid by the said John William Birdsall.—Dated 1st day of July, 1903. JOHN WILLIAM BIRDSALL. HARRY BIRDSALL
The second image that I found is of the below named presentation case. Here we find another address, this time “32 Sheep Street Skipton”.
One could think this was an address that the business moved on to after 1903 but that has yet to be evidenced. That 32 Sheep Street, Skipton address is now an Estate Agents shop but, photographed there, has been one of those “ghost” doorways, where “J.Birdsall&Sons is still marked in the pavement in front of the door.
Have we found the “J Birdsall” we are (ah maybe that’s I am) looking for? I am actually thinking not. I know from previous work on “Samuel Birdsall” that although John William and Harry are brothers, and brothers to Samuel, they were much younger brothers. On the 1881 census these 3 boys were living in Skipton with their “warehouse man” father Jacob and his wife Hannah, another brother James and several sisters. John William was aged 11 and Harry was aged 6.
There was extra evidence in the 1891 census when John William and Harry were still with their family and the 2 had identical occupations. They were both described as “watchmaker” and possibly “jobber”. It seems a “jobber” could have done watch cleaning, repairing and adjusting. There was however a change to Jacob’s occupation. He was described also as a watchmaker together with being an insurance agent, but how can a warehouse man become a watchmaker? Could "Samuel Birdsall", an established watchmaker, have set his father up in an easier job for a 60 year old Victorian man? If you check the Samuel Birdsall reference I gave earlier, you will find they were not in fact to be in exactly competing businesses.
What I take from this information, but do not know the mechanics of it, is that Jacob Birdsall is the “J.Birdsall” with Sons that retailed that 1902 John Round spoon.
Jacob died in 1905 and in the 1911 census John William Birdsall with a family of his own, including a son aged 7, were living at 2 Bright Street Skipton and his occupation was given as dealer, watchmaker, jeweller and optician. It may be worth having a very careful look at the presentation case again now. Harry left the business in 1903 so it could be just Jacob and John together, however if the case is post the death of Jacob, the “J Birdsall” could at this time refer to John William.
If there are any Yorkshire “Birdsalls” on the forum do please correct me and put us right.
Fishless
I recently came across a hallmarked silver spoon with an interesting marking relating to a likely retailer.
The set of hallmarks indicate this spoon was made in Sheffield by “John Round & Son Ltd”. “silvermakersmarks.co.uk” further tells us this particular “JR” mark was used 1878-1906 and that the assay date letter “k” was for 1902.
Now I am hoping a few other members of the forum will think the extra mark is worth research. It is a starting point for uncovering a bit more about the Skipton , North Yorkshire business of “J.Birdsall & Sons” whoever they might have been.
A little trawl on the inter net threw up a couple of informative images with Skipton addresses for the “J Birdsall” name and confusingly another “Birdsall” name. This the watchmaker, “Samuel Birdsall”. For more on him please see:
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=52676#p165384
The first helpful image is a pocket watch key and from it we get a shop address of “39 High Street Skipton”.
This address generated a London Gazzett Notice from July 1903 just a year after the spoon’s assay date.
NOTICE is hereby given, that the Partnership heretofore subsisting between us the undersigned, John William Birdsall and Harry Birdsall, carrying on business as Jewellers and Opticians, at High-street, Skipton, under the style or firm of "J. BIRDSALL AND SONS," has been dissolved by mutual consent as and from the twentieth day of June 1903. All debts owing bv the said late firm will be paid by the said John William Birdsall.—Dated 1st day of July, 1903. JOHN WILLIAM BIRDSALL. HARRY BIRDSALL
The second image that I found is of the below named presentation case. Here we find another address, this time “32 Sheep Street Skipton”.
One could think this was an address that the business moved on to after 1903 but that has yet to be evidenced. That 32 Sheep Street, Skipton address is now an Estate Agents shop but, photographed there, has been one of those “ghost” doorways, where “J.Birdsall&Sons is still marked in the pavement in front of the door.
Have we found the “J Birdsall” we are (ah maybe that’s I am) looking for? I am actually thinking not. I know from previous work on “Samuel Birdsall” that although John William and Harry are brothers, and brothers to Samuel, they were much younger brothers. On the 1881 census these 3 boys were living in Skipton with their “warehouse man” father Jacob and his wife Hannah, another brother James and several sisters. John William was aged 11 and Harry was aged 6.
There was extra evidence in the 1891 census when John William and Harry were still with their family and the 2 had identical occupations. They were both described as “watchmaker” and possibly “jobber”. It seems a “jobber” could have done watch cleaning, repairing and adjusting. There was however a change to Jacob’s occupation. He was described also as a watchmaker together with being an insurance agent, but how can a warehouse man become a watchmaker? Could "Samuel Birdsall", an established watchmaker, have set his father up in an easier job for a 60 year old Victorian man? If you check the Samuel Birdsall reference I gave earlier, you will find they were not in fact to be in exactly competing businesses.
What I take from this information, but do not know the mechanics of it, is that Jacob Birdsall is the “J.Birdsall” with Sons that retailed that 1902 John Round spoon.
Jacob died in 1905 and in the 1911 census John William Birdsall with a family of his own, including a son aged 7, were living at 2 Bright Street Skipton and his occupation was given as dealer, watchmaker, jeweller and optician. It may be worth having a very careful look at the presentation case again now. Harry left the business in 1903 so it could be just Jacob and John together, however if the case is post the death of Jacob, the “J Birdsall” could at this time refer to John William.
If there are any Yorkshire “Birdsalls” on the forum do please correct me and put us right.
Fishless
Re: British Additional Marks
J.R. & W. LAING
Glasgow
An additional retailer mark of J. R. & W. Laing on a salver by Stower & Wragg Ltd. and assayed at Sheffield in 1939::
LAING/GLASGOW
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Glasgow
An additional retailer mark of J. R. & W. Laing on a salver by Stower & Wragg Ltd. and assayed at Sheffield in 1939::
LAING/GLASGOW
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OLLIVANT & BOTSFORD
Manchester
An additional retailer mark of Ollivant & Botsford on a dish by the same firm and assayed at Sheffield in 1908:
OLLIVANT & BOTSFORD/MANCHESTER
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Manchester
An additional retailer mark of Ollivant & Botsford on a dish by the same firm and assayed at Sheffield in 1908:
OLLIVANT & BOTSFORD/MANCHESTER
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LAMBERT & RAWLINGS
London
Retailer mark of Lambert & Rawlings, struck on a item assayed at London in 1851:
LAMBERT & RAWLINGS/COVENTRY ST./LONDON
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London
Retailer mark of Lambert & Rawlings, struck on a item assayed at London in 1851:
LAMBERT & RAWLINGS/COVENTRY ST./LONDON
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GOLDSMITHS & SILVERSMITHS Co. Ltd.
London
Retailer mark of The Goldsmiths & Silversmiths Co. Ltd, struck on a item assayed at London in 1900:
THE GOLDSMITHS/& SILVERSMITHS COMPANY Ltd./112 REGENT St.
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London
Retailer mark of The Goldsmiths & Silversmiths Co. Ltd, struck on a item assayed at London in 1900:
THE GOLDSMITHS/& SILVERSMITHS COMPANY Ltd./112 REGENT St.
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