Francois-Alphonse Debain

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Francois-Alphonse Debain

Postby nickcox » Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:40 am

Hi All,

I have recently purchased a cruet stand and I was wondering if anyone can tell me anything about it? The Stand has a diamond mark on the bottom with the word DEBAIN in it and what appears to be two little men in a boat.

I think the stand may be by Francois-Alphonse Debain but I dont know if it is silver or silver plate. I can not see a head of Minerve stamp next to the DEBAIN stamp but could it still be silver? could i be looking for the stamp in the wrong place?

Thanks in advance

Nick

PS. How do I put photos on here?

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Re: Francois-Alphonse Debain

Postby dognose » Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:48 am

Hi,

Welcome to the Forum.

This should help:

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http://www.tinypic.com is recommended. Embedded images get a far greater response than just posting links.

Remember to use the 'Preview' button before submitting your post.

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Re: Francois-Alphonse Debain

Postby Francais » Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:06 pm

Hi,
While your taking photos, look for the Minerva mark around the upper rims of the stand.
Maurice

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Re: Francois-Alphonse Debain

Postby nickcox » Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:07 pm

Hi,

Here are three images from the cruet stand.

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Does anyone know what the mark is in ? Image

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Re: Francois-Alphonse Debain

Postby dognose » Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:18 pm

Hi Nick,

If you look directly opposite the second mark, which is an anvil (bigorne) mark, you will find (if it's not worn away) the Minerva mark.

Trev.

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Re: Francois-Alphonse Debain

Postby nickcox » Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:34 pm

Hi Trev,

Thank you so much. I now have a Minerva mark. Couldn't have done it without your help.

I am amazed that I bought this at a car boot sale

Regards

Nick

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Re: Francois-Alphonse Debain

Postby dognose » Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:49 am

A clearer image of the mark of François-Alphonse Debain, in use from the 15th January 1847, until it was cancelled on the 27th May 1864.

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Re: Francois-Alphonse Debain

Postby sebastian4743 » Fri Mar 11, 2016 9:51 am

Sorry for digging up this old post but I was looking for a date when this mark was used:

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I am a little bit confused as one mark (exactly the same) was used in different periods? Trev says 1847-1864 and 1911-1916 (http://www.925-1000.com/Ffrench_makers_D.html). Any ideas about the mark above? Thank you!

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Re: Francois-Alphonse Debain

Postby AG2012 » Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:41 am

auteur Debain, Alphonse
patronyme(s) Debain

prénom (état civil) Alphonse
profession Fabricant orfèvre
initiales Debain.

symboles un phoenix
n° de garantie C1722
n° de préfecture 13768
date d'insculpation 20 mars 1911
date de biffage 25 février 1916
lieu(x) d'activité 75
Paris
adresse de l'atelier 20 rue Rambuteau

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Re: Francois-Alphonse Debain

Postby AG2012 » Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:42 am

orfèvre
auteur Debain, Edouard
patronyme(s) Debain
prénom (état civil) Edouard
profession Fabricant orfèvre
initiales Debain
symboles un phénix et une étoile
n° de garantie 2403
n° de préfecture 14849
date d'insculpation 8 mars 1916
date de biffage 12 juin 1929
lieu(x) d'activité 75
Paris
adresse de l'atelier 20 rue des Quatre-Fils

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Re: Francois-Alphonse Debain

Postby dognose » Fri Mar 11, 2016 12:07 pm

A similar mark appears to have been used by several members of the family.

See: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=19261&p=44001&hilit=Debain#p44001

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Re: Francois-Alphonse Debain

Postby sebastian4743 » Fri Mar 11, 2016 2:46 pm

I think the two listings copied by AG2012 did not match my mark. The symbol of the two Debians is a pheonix...

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Re: Francois-Alphonse Debain

Postby sebastian4743 » Fri Mar 11, 2016 3:08 pm

The pictures are gone from here viewtopic.php?f=7&t=19261&p=44001&hilit=Debain#p44001 but I assume this refers to that mark "It’s actually an earlier mark, that of Debain’s grandfather, Francsois-Alphonse Debain. It was registered on 15 Jan 1847, renewed on 19 Jul 1851, and cancelled on 27 May 1864. The device — “un nacelle et deux petits hommes” [“a skiff with two little men”] - was also used in the mark of his son and successor, Alphonse-Edouard Debain in his partnership with Louis-Frédéric Flamant, working as Debain & Flamant, 1864-1880. The firm was succeeded by Flamant’s heirs as Flamant & Fils, 1880-1891."


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