Hi all, I wonder if these brands are positioned correctly, in consideration of the era they want to "simulate", i.e. the 18th century, on the tastevin.
I know for these kinds of items the right place to find them is on the body or under the base and neck, right? (I open parentheses: please correct me and add as much information as possible in this sense, I don't speak French and translating from Tardy and Helft which reports French writing of the eighteenth is a mess, half of what I translate I don't understand!!! thank you very much and we close the parenthesis), and apart from the fact that I have a guarantee hallmark from the 1800s, the crab, I don't understand if it is correct to see that small unloading hallmark or that of General Fermier on duty, placed there only on the edge. I KNOW IT IS PUNCHED BY ITSELF AT THE FINISHED OBJECT AND IT IS VERY SMALL AND UGLY TO RECOGNIZE, I was just wondering if it is right that it should be placed there, and then it is too linear and synthetic in its line, it seems made by a child playing with a burin for the first time, moreover why a guarantee hallmark from 1838 on an object that should be from 1744?? not to mention that I have not found any feedback on the silversmith.
marked positioned correctly?
Re: marked positioned correctly?
Hello
Thank you for the clear photos of the marks, and for showing the entire object.
It appears my friend that you have presented an authentic, 18th C French tastevin.
You have a maker’s mark for Henry Allain. He apprenticed to David André at age 16 on 24 January 1715. On 5 October 1745 he registered his mark, a crowned fleur-de-lys, 2 pellets, initials HA, symbol a globe. He worked at Place Dauphine, then beginning in 1759 at Cour Lamoignon. He no longer was listed in 1766.
You also have a partial date letter mark of a crowned D for 1744.
There is a charge mark of a crowned A, in use 1744-1750, and a discharge mark for small objects of an eagle head facing left from the same period.
Thus all 4 marks are in concordance, and are punched in the appropriate places for a tastevin.
A covered mustard pot by this maker is found in the David Weill collection.
In addition you have a crab silver standard mark for small objects that was punched at a later date, which is perfectly acceptable.
Hope this helps to answer your questions.
Regards.
See Nocq, v.1, p. 7.
Thank you for the clear photos of the marks, and for showing the entire object.
It appears my friend that you have presented an authentic, 18th C French tastevin.
You have a maker’s mark for Henry Allain. He apprenticed to David André at age 16 on 24 January 1715. On 5 October 1745 he registered his mark, a crowned fleur-de-lys, 2 pellets, initials HA, symbol a globe. He worked at Place Dauphine, then beginning in 1759 at Cour Lamoignon. He no longer was listed in 1766.
You also have a partial date letter mark of a crowned D for 1744.
There is a charge mark of a crowned A, in use 1744-1750, and a discharge mark for small objects of an eagle head facing left from the same period.
Thus all 4 marks are in concordance, and are punched in the appropriate places for a tastevin.
A covered mustard pot by this maker is found in the David Weill collection.
In addition you have a crab silver standard mark for small objects that was punched at a later date, which is perfectly acceptable.
Hope this helps to answer your questions.
Regards.
See Nocq, v.1, p. 7.