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GiulyF
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Paris 1838

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Hy all
is anyone able to recognize the silversmith from this mark?
I read Gt or CT with a stem in the middle or a musical instrument and a crown above,,the other is the mark for garantie, Minerva in a hexagon, Paris from 1838

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Hello
The maker of your item is César Tonnelier, a manufacturing silversmith from a long line of makers. César was the successor of Théodore Tonnelier, and was succeeded by Paul Tonnelier who eventually was taken over by Olier & Caron.

César first registered a mark 21 March 1845, again 15 March 1859, and finally 24 January 1882. He worked at 2 addresses: 7 rue du Cimetière-Saint-Nicolas, and after 1859 at 325 Boulevard Saint-Martin. His symbol was a quill and a plow share (une plume et un soc de charrue). Thus his working dates were 1845-1882.

See:

https://www.925-1000.com/fx_cTonnelier.html

https://www.925-1000.com/Ffrench_makers_C.html

Arminjon, II, no. 01091, p. 116.

The Minerva is in a barrel-shaped reserve indicating 800 standard silver.

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Re: Paris 1838

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JayT wrote: Fri Feb 24, 2023 11:22 am Hello
The maker of your item is César Tonnelier, a manufacturing silversmith from a long line of makers. César was the successor of Théodore Tonnelier, and was succeeded by Paul Tonnelier who eventually was taken over by Olier & Caron.

César first registered a mark 21 March 1845, again 15 March 1859, and finally 24 January 1882. He worked at 2 addresses: 7 rue du Cimetière-Saint-Nicolas, and after 1859 at 325 Boulevard Saint-Martin. His symbol was a quill and a plow share (une plume et un soc de charrue). Thus his working dates were 1845-1882.

See:

https://www.925-1000.com/fx_cTonnelier.html

https://www.925-1000.com/Ffrench_makers_C.html

Arminjon, II, no. 01091, p. 116.

The Minerva is in a barrel-shaped reserve indicating 800 standard silver.

Regards.
Super thanks, I finally managed to find him online, but I have another obscure silversmith to decipher...there's both the MInerva mark and another that seems to be for objects of foreign origin but I'm not sure, also because this was in force from 1819 to 1838, when the Minerva came into use

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You're welcome.

You must start a new post if you have a different topic.
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Cesar Charles Tonnelier

Born: 11 Jun 1812, La Brosse Moreau, Seine-et-Marne, son of Claude Etienne Tonnelier (1783-1848) & Marie Felicite Thenard
Married: 2 May 1843, Villebevin, Yonne, to [his first cousin] Charlotte Elizabeth Tonnelier (1819-1897), daughter of Theodore Tonnelier (1789-1841) & Angelique Charlotte Lorillon
Died: 28 Dec 1896, Paris, 9th arrondissement
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Re: Paris 1838

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:::::::: What is this item? ::::::: It seems to be a bit unusual just based on the one pic so I'm curious now what kind of silver object this is? ::::::
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Based on the original poster’s recent questions and the specialty of the maker, I’d hazard an informed guess that the object shown is the thumb piece of a tastevin (wine taster).
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Re: Paris 1838

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::::: That was my best guess but I just wanted to make sure as the grooved handle strikes me as a bit unusual. :::::
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No, not unusual.
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JayT wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:43 pm No, not unusual.
Dear JayT e Aguest,
good morning.
That's right it's a tastevin,i invite you to reply to my last post about another mark punched on a tastastevin that seem to me really strange, as I mentioned above,
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