Silver item 17-18th century

[solo]

I need some help on the hallmark shown.
Any help concerning origin and maker is welcome.

[Aguest]

The green color and overall appearance has me thinking ::: Do you think this is made of Pewter and not Silver? ::: The hallmarks could be of a maker of Pewter objects. :::

[Qrt.S]

In my eyes it looks a bit yellow here and there. That makes me think of silver plated brass (copper and zink).

[solo]

so is silver 100%

[Qrt.S]

Well, in that case, how do you know it is silver? I don't recognize the shown marks to be silver control marks, at least not European. But of course I could be wrong...
Why I assumed the base metal to be brass is that brass is affected from the oxygen and "water" in the air creating copper hydroxide and copper carbonate. That is the greenish tarnish on a brass object's surface. If we assume that your object is electroplated brass, the very thin silver surface has been worn out by use and that has exposed the base metal (brass) to air and tarnish it greenish. It is the same thing that happens to copper.

BTW.
Nothing except for silver ingots are 100% silver. It is not workable material. Even ingots are only 99,99% silver. Silver is always alloyed with some other metal, usually copper to make it workable. Therefore we have official country specific control marks to guarantee that nobody adds too much e.g. copper in the silver alloy.

[oel]

Looking at the threaded(?) stopper with a handle onto it. I believe it could be a pewter canteen/food holder perhaps to service the need of travelers or field workers.


Peter.

Pewter is a malleable metal alloy, traditionally 85 -95% Tin, with the remainder consisting of Copper, Antimony, Bismuth and sometimes, less commonly today, Lead. Silver is also sometimes used. Copper and Antimony act as hardeners while Lead is common in the lower grades of Pewter, which have a bluish tint. It has a melting point, around 338 – 446 F ( 170 – 230 C ), depending on the exact mixture.
Pewter was first used around the beginning of the Bronze Age in the Near East. The earliest piece of Pewter found is from an Egyptian tomb from 1450 BC. Pewters containing Lead are no longer used in items such as cups, plates, or jewelry ) that will come in contact with the human body due to health concerns stemming from the Lead content. Modern Pewters are available that are completely free of Lead, although many Pewters containing Lead are still being produced for other purposes.
Applications:
Pewter is used in decorative objects, mainly collectible statuettes and figurines, game figures, aircraft and other models, (replica ) coins, pendants, and plated jewelry.

[amena]

Although these containers are usually made of pewter, the color makes me think it is bronze or brass.
I could be wrong, of course.
Best
Amena

[Theoderich]

I think it looks nice.

[dognose]

It reminds me of a 'Dabba'.

See: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=38765&p=106095

Trev.

[AG2012]

Badly neglected silver exposed to various acidic fumes in air and elements tend to oxidize in unusual way.
Clean it, please.
Regards

[solo]

This is what silver coins look like

what a tin object looks like

Checked with reagents, it is silver 100%
Please suggest the brand of the manufacturer.

[silverly]

Nothing terribly useful to add, but why not clean and polish the item?

[solo]

Tere is a photo of the silver stamp,
please tell me where the item is made?

[Qrt.S]

@Theoderic

I think it looks nice.

Mind my asking, but what is "nice" in your opinion?

[Theoderich]

Mind my asking, but what is "nice" in your opinion?

I like it. It is this kind of silver I am looking for.
Ca. 1680-1700

[Qrt.S]

@Theoderic

OK, but what makes you think it is silver? I cannot identify none of them indicating silver.

[oel]

Hi Solo,
Can you tell us more about its provenance? is it a family piece, or bought at auction or other, country location you obtained item, length and weight and please show us some more images of item taken apart, the stopper and handle.

Peter.

[Theoderich]

OK, but what makes you think it is silver?

Yes it is.

[Qrt.S]

@Theoderic

??? Silver? Based on what? "Yes" is not an answer.

[oel]

I also believe it could be silver., with so far unknown marks. More images and information about the item should help. Images taken in daylight.

Peter.