Please help with 2x Cigarette cases and Kovsh!

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Pragueantique
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Please help with 2x Cigarette cases and Kovsh!

Postby Pragueantique » Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:02 am

Dear members,
I am new here, I am glad I've found so amazing group.
Hope you can help me to authorize these 2x cigarette cases and Kovsh.

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First cigarette case:
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Thank you!

AG2012
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Re: Please help with 2x Cigarette cases and Kovsh!

Postby AG2012 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:20 pm

Hi,
Sailing boat mark on the right of 84 should stand for Kostroma,but maker`s mark is Pavel Ovchinikov
(П.Овчинников) which is extremely controversial.
Although the cigarette case looks authentic (images are not very good,though), I think lucrative maker`s mark is faked to increase the value.Besides, the cloisonne quality does not match excellent enamelled work by one of the best Russian silversmiths.
Let`s wait for more responses.
Regards

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Re: Please help with 2x Cigarette cases and Kovsh!

Postby Qrt.S » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:40 am

Agree with AG2012. In addition, where is the court supplier mark? The hallmark on the case was used 1882-1899. At that time Ovtchinnikov was already court supplier.

Pragueantique
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Re: Please help with 2x Cigarette cases and Kovsh!

Postby Pragueantique » Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:58 pm

Dear
AG2012 wrote:
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Qrt.S
thank you for your amazing reply! I want to thank you Admin as well to help me to make proper post!
Can you please see more photos of the item, I also ve been trying to put close up photos of enamel.There is few places where enamel have different "red" colors and its look suspicious for me. I hope I still have few days to return the item. In case its purely non Russian antique enamel fake, I would be really sad.

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Pragueantique
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Re: Please help with 2x Cigarette cases and Kovsh!

Postby Pragueantique » Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:01 pm

I am also a bit scared that cigarette case was aged artificial.

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Re: Please help with 2x Cigarette cases and Kovsh!

Postby JLPicard » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:28 pm

Based on poor quality of photograps the only thing I see for sure that the item is not made by P.Ovchinnikov, and most likly not authentic - period.
Regards,

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Re: Please help with 2x Cigarette cases and Kovsh!

Postby AG2012 » Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:32 pm

Hi,
Enamel is actually powdered glass molten within the cloisonne cells.
If damaged, re-firing to repair it is impossible, but instead various colours can be used to fill missing enamel.It can be easily tested with the tip of a needle; it will not scratch enamel but soft colour of any kind will be scratched.No harm done to the piece.
I mean, the cigarette case could be genuine after all, but in rather poor condition, repaired and faked marks added to make it more appealing.
Regards


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