Cup 12lot

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Cup 12lot

Postby solo » Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:35 pm

Please help identify silver hallmark, maker's mark.
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Re: Cup 12lot

Postby AG2012 » Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:26 pm

Hi,
My red arrow indicates Austrian Empire Repunzierung (re-marking) of older articles, effective 1806.
Although letters within the mark are not very clear, the form of the mark is very indicative.
See here:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=57035&p=184739&hilit=repunzierung#p184739

Now that you know what to search for, try to decipher what`s inside the mark and if you identify assay office, we are closer to identify the origin of the cup.

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Re: Cup 12lot

Postby solo » Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:36 am

Thank you.
This is the Repunzierung (re-marking) Lemberg.
But other signs may not belong to Lemberg.

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Re: Cup 12lot

Postby Theoderich » Sat Mar 20, 2021 4:03 pm

solo wrote:Please help identify silver hallmark, maker's mark.
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I think this are two differrent items merged to a lidded beaker.

The mark IP is makers mark of Jacob Pfaff (1677 - 1708, GNM Nr. 641) in Nuremberg.

The marks on the beaker: I can not find a makersmark.

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Re: Cup 12lot

Postby AG2012 » Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:49 pm

Hi,
The pros and cons:
Matching size of the cover, which would be difficult to marry to a completely different cup. Approximately the same period of both cup and cover.
On the other hand, those beakers were almost always of practically same size, thus making joining possible.
Slightly different embossed décor, but not entirely different.
Two authentic marks, but Repunzierung in Lemberg and the cover from Nuremberg, 1000 km away.
Matching cups and covers 400 years old are uncommon, although not impossible.
In regard of `grape` mark, I would not be surprised if that`s actually poor attempt to apply `Augsburg` acorn at much later date.

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