Help with marks on the spoons

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Ubaranda
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Help with marks on the spoons

Postby Ubaranda » Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:44 pm

Hi all!

I need help with identification of marks on the very similar spoons. What country? What age? Who are makers?
I'm at a loss...

Many thanks in advance.

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Joerg
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Re: Help with marks on the spoons

Postby Joerg » Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:41 am

Hi
I am currently away from my books, so just a first shot:
The spoon on the top is Swiss, ETTINER is Vettiner, the mark of Antoine-Charles Vettiner, 1818-1866, from Geneva.
JJ is an early Jezler (Schaffhausen) mark, here probably only as a retailer. Date them around 1850 to 1860.
More to follow.
Regards, Jörg

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Re: Help with marks on the spoons

Postby Ubaranda » Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:39 am

Hello Jörg!

Thank you for your quick reply!
And what does the "3me" in the lozegne and in the square mean? Is it the fineness of silver?

Regards. Alex.

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Re: Help with marks on the spoons

Postby Joerg » Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:49 am

Yes, 3rd standard, 0.800 Silver. As I wrote, I follow up later when I have access to the books.

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Re: Help with marks on the spoons

Postby Joerg » Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:46 pm

So, both spoons are from Geneva. The spoon with PA makers mark is from Paul Aberle, 1825-1888, in Geneva since 1847.
On the 3eme mark: Geneva was one of the few Swiss towns with a system to control the fineness of silver alloys used. The marking system from 1815 to 1881 was as follows:
1st standard (950) an eagle head
2nd standard (875) a horse head
3rd standard (800) a lions head.
However, also common was just the makers initials with the standard use. This is the case for your two spoons.
See also this post from 2019:
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=54909

All the best
Jörg

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Re: Help with marks on the spoons

Postby Ubaranda » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:44 am

Hi Jörg!

Thanks for the great answer! Very interesting and useful information!
My best wishes. Alex.

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