Spanish or Spanish Colonial ?

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Spanish or Spanish Colonial ?

Postby joho » Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:39 pm

Hi - can anyone help identify the marks on this embossed silver dish. It is stamped B or possibly PL cojoined over OTERO (maker ?) and then 11D. There is also what appears to be an assay scrape. No other marks. The O in OTERO is not clear inthe photos but can be seen under a glass. Would be greatful for any help. Many thanks.
John

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Re: Spanish or Spanish Colonial ?

Postby Traintime » Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:14 pm

Might have to scroll down Hijo De Bernadino Otero advertisement circa 1950 (hope it helps): viewtopic.php?f=38&t=37670&p=159619&hilit=otero&sid=2b1819efe13148d87f09c2f291e030f0#p159619

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Re: Spanish or Spanish Colonial ?

Postby joho » Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:00 pm

Many thanks Trainline - a good direction to strart in.
Now to see if I can find any marks for Hijo De Bernadino Otero

Kind regards
John

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Re: Spanish or Spanish Colonial ?

Postby joho » Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:03 pm

Apologies - should read 'Traintime', not Trainline!!

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Re: Spanish or Spanish Colonial ?

Postby Funkel » Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:02 pm

Hola joho, lo primero decirte lo que signific el 11D. Se trata de la ley del metal, siendo 11 dineros, equivalente a 916 milésimas del actual Sistema Métrico Decimal. Se empezó a utilizar este marcaje en 1881, posiblemente hasta 1934 que se impuso una nueva ley de metales preciosos. A simple vista no conozco nngún platero que termine en ...TERO, lo voy a investigar y si encuentro algo te lo digo. Saludos


Hola joho, lo primero decirte lo que signific el 11D. Se trata de la ley del metal, siendo 11 dineros, equivalente a 916 milésimas del actual Sistema Métrico Decimal. Se empezó a utilizar este marcaje en 1881, posiblemente hasta 1934 que se impuso una nueva ley de metales preciosos. A simple vista no conozco nngún platero que termine en ...TERO, lo voy a investigar y si encuentro algo te lo digo. Saludos

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Re: Spanish or Spanish Colonial ?

Postby Funkel » Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:03 pm

Ahhh is Spanish, not colonial

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Re: Spanish or Spanish Colonial ?

Postby Funkel » Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:27 pm

Sorry the translator played a trick on me :)

Hello joho, the first thing to tell you what the 11D meant. This is the metal law, being 11 monies, equivalent to 916 thousandths of the current Decimal Metric System. This marking began to be used in 1881, possibly until 1934 when a new precious metals law was imposed. At first glance I do not know any silversmith that ends in ... TERO, I will investigate and if I find something I will tell you. Regards

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Re: Spanish or Spanish Colonial ?

Postby joho » Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:21 pm

Muchas gracias Funkel. Gracias por compartir tu conocimiento.

Ahora podemos decir que el plato es español, de plata estándar 916 y data de 1881 o posterior. Sería bueno si pudiéramos encontrar al fabricante, pero incluso si no lo hacemos, ¡ahora tengo mucha más información!

Su ayuda es muy apreciada.

Saludos cordiales

John




Thank you very much Funkel. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

Now we can say that the dish is Spanish, of standard 916 silver and dates from 1881 or later. It would be nice if we could find the maker, but even if we don't, I have a lot more information now!

Your help is much appreciated.

Best regards


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