Venetian wax jack, what age? question 2

[Italiansilver]

Hi all,
same question as before...
I'm not able to find a A.B.F. in the XVIII venetian silversmiths.

could you help me to identify the age?

Many thanks

[amena]

Hello
Unfortunately the A.B.F. it is among the "tarocchi conclamati" (well-known counterfeit) or, at least, very suspicious marks.
Already seen on an online auction carafe described
"presumably Italian late 19th century in mid 700 style"

It is obvious that reliable dating is impossible.
Best regards
Amena

[Italiansilver]

Oh my God!
:-))))))
I bought it even if I was suspecting that...
I was not sure because I canceled the picture (to do not have toooo many picture stored), but I was remembering same mark on a egoiste coffee pot (cuccuma) in venetian style but manufacturing details that where no ancient.
Anyway I like and I paid a bit more than a modern object, but much less than a XVIII ones.
Wax jacks are uncommon even in modern objects.

[Italiansilver]

definitively tarocco
:-)
or effectively of the window 1972-1935?
Hoping are not fraudolent marks.

[Italiansilver]

Just for the pleasure of discussion...
I just had a speech with a vendor that has a small "cuccuma" (coffee pot) with same marks.
He said that it has been dated beginning of XIX by two auction houses.
Not having the "cuccuma" in my hand I cannot say if it sounds modern or old (maybe even having it :-))) ). Frome the pictures it looks very similar to the ones that I have from mid XX.

[amena]

In my experience, auction houses are shameless in dating the pieces on sale. On the other hand, they do not take any responsibility on the expertise.
I looked for, without finding it, a post from a few years ago by a lady who had been part of the team of a well-known auction house and told the background. It is precisely from the catalogs of the auction houses that I collect most of the fake marks.
Amena

[Italiansilver]

I understand the point, and of course I didn't add my comments to validate an age, but just for an open point of discussion.

[Italiansilver]

as manufacturing details I can say thath the cap is turned, and the body has an horizontal line of welding.
as for my knowledge since whe we start to find weldings on the body of the objects (and not made frome one piece, excludong handles, foots...)?