Prague 1837 tobacco case

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AG2012
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Prague 1837 tobacco case

Postby AG2012 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:06 am

Tobacco case,13 Loth,maker AD in Prague,Austria-Hungary Empire,1837.
Unknown maker and mysterious symbolism.
Who is in the middle? A vague resemblance to Ferdinand I of Austria who was coronated in Prague 1836,but could be an ancient personality.
Left: Pegasus,the horse of Muses,liberated (broken chains),Lyre (music,poetry or art in general),grape keg (old Venetian word brenta) and unknown staff,wand,wooden crutch.
Right: Laurel wreath,thermometer (barometer),carpenter plane,scepter,crown among the snakes.
Help and ideas appreciated.

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Re: Prague 1837 tobacco case

Postby huszas76 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:33 pm

The maker is Anton (Antonin) Dörr. 1807-1871
Learned at MAtyas Kral. Marriage in 1833 to KArolina Wankeova.
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Krisztián

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Re: Prague 1837 tobacco case

Postby Joerg » Mon Jun 22, 2020 4:19 pm

Hi

I still think this is not Ferdinand I of Austria but his Father, Francis I (II).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_I ... an_Emperor
My reasoning is as follows:
When the case was made Ferdinand was alive. In 1837 it was fashionable to depict contemporary people in an mythological Environment. But I have not seen this for people alive. (Except some Pictures from Bismarck 50 to 70 years later… but usually as teutonic knight).
I conclud the Person depicted by the bust was not alive. Additionally, the bust wears a laurel wreath, this was strictly for somebody who won something, usually a battle or a war, (or a cometition…). I do not think Ferdinand won anything up to 1837.
The style of the bust is Roman, narrowing the search to a famous Roman Person or a 1837 contemporary but late Person. Scrolling through the standard portraits of the Roman Emperors you do not find a match. It could be one of the famous roman poets (Ovid, Horace, Vergil...) but all this is unlikely considering the modern scientistic instruments.
I still think we can find an explaination for all items on the case considering Francis I (II).

What do you think?

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Jörg

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Re: Prague 1837 tobacco case

Postby Joerg » Mon Jun 22, 2020 4:28 pm

Looking at the two Pictures left an right as a whole, not dealing with Details, I notice the aureola, the rays. The top triumphant over the Bottom items. Right on the Bottom a crown and basilisks, representing monarchy, despotism, over which science and artisans are triumphant.
Left, the keg representing the (uneducated) peasantry over which music and Poetry are triumphant.

Just an idea…

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Jörg

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Re: Prague 1837 tobacco case

Postby AG2012 » Mon Jun 22, 2020 4:45 pm

Hi,
Thank you,Joerg,for taking time to help.I think you are right about the emperor in the middle.
I found two marble busts of Francis II in Vienna by sculptors A.Dietrich and C.Pacetti (laurel wreath and apparent similarity).
Thanks again and stay safe.
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