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Channel island jersey silver?

Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:14 pm
by swordman55
Hello!

I have stumbled upon a pair of candleholders with unknown marks to me - might this be Channel Islands - Jean Le Page Guernsey?
Stamped IPF, Left side of a head, Capital L with a crown and four dots?

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Kind regards,
John

Re: Channel island jersey silver?

Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:49 pm
by Traintime
Methinks you meant "ILP", not "IPF"...so mark sample is here: viewtopic.php?f=38&t=15471&p=157297&hilit=ILP#p157297

Re: Channel island jersey silver?

Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:52 am
by swordman55
Traintime wrote:Methinks you meant "ILP", not "IPF"...so mark sample is here: viewtopic.php?f=38&t=15471&p=157297&hilit=ILP#p157297


Thank you for your reply! Yes, I ment ILP. How about the other marks - ever seen them before?

Kind regards,
John

Re: Channel island jersey silver?

Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:49 am
by huszas76
I think, this L with the crown it's Lissabon.
Best regards!
KrisztiƔn

Re: Channel island jersey silver?

Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:43 pm
by Traintime
One sample of Lisbon assay mark of older [Crowned "L" having no pellets, within oval cartouch] : viewtopic.php?f=8&t=44153&p=127012&hilit=crowned+L+lisbon#p127012

Note we have no Tremolierstich (zig zag) noted for this one. Can it be found? Have additional marks been noted on Lisbon?
Crowned "L", no cartouche begins almost a century earlier as French date mark. It may be used elsewhere? As a pseudo? The exact form of the crown must be compared to be certain. There's a reference book noted in Lisbon threads which may help.

Re: Channel island jersey silver?

Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:47 pm
by oel
For a quick reference see:
http://hallmarkwiki.com/?country=Portug ... nce=Lisbon
Indeed could be Lisbon early 19th century.
For other marks perhaps: works of special interest

http://www.silvercollection.it/DICTIONA ... TUGAL.HTML

Peter.

Re: Channel island jersey silver?

Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:29 pm
by Aguest
I had a piece of Hanau silver with hallmarks very similar to Oporto Portugal, might want research "Hanau Silver Pseudohallmarks" as well as authentic marks from Portugal, just to make sure....

(Hanau was a city in Germany where hallmarks were struck however they wanted to make them, often the hallmarks were extremely similar to other countries' hallmarks)

The hallmarks are crisp and beautiful, so I was really thinking they were genuine for a European country, so that was my first impression, but that could be wrong and they could be just an example of very well-executed hallmarks from Hanau, but I'm still trying to figure it out, so will keep reading. :::

Re: Channel island jersey silver?

Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:21 am
by Aguest
And the head facing left is for "old or antique articles" according to the hallmark wiki. ::: It makes sense for Portugal, there is a member named Funkel has the official book on Spanish and Portuguese silver hallmarks, it is not available in English because I searched for a translated copy to no avail. ::::

I have faith the maker is in that book, it is a very comprehensive book :

Re: Channel island jersey silver?

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:42 am
by Funkel
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Regards

Re: Channel island jersey silver?

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:19 am
by oel
Hi Funkel.

Thank you very much !

Regards,

Peter.