Need help identifying a pair of fighting roosters

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srh11293
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Need help identifying a pair of fighting roosters

Postby srh11293 » Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:25 pm

Need help identifying a pair of fighting roosters. I was told that they are sterling silver and were purchased from a Swedish estate. There are some marks on them, but I do not recognize the marks. Help would be greatly appreciated.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/ANGSvi1j8THosxp36
https://photos.app.goo.gl/fzNuadN56PyRoUb97
https://photos.app.goo.gl/SbhYpwA4BoESPZTb6
https://photos.app.goo.gl/dd1AwpQhx8Ub4ut99
https://photos.app.goo.gl/oF5f5qXBVLY693nW6
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Zy7tUKhRDw4VQdLy6

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Re: Need help identifying a pair of fighting roosters

Postby dognose » Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:29 pm

Hi,

Please embed your images.

Trev.

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Re: Need help identifying a pair of fighting roosters

Postby srh11293 » Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:40 pm

If google photos do not work, here are links to IMGUR photos.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/6EOjd3ah.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/PeaZsVuh.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/3on2sUMh.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/p85D9y0.jpg[/img]

Looks like I do not know how to embed photos. Sorry

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Re: Need help identifying a pair of fighting roosters

Postby dognose » Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:13 pm

https://postimages.org (choose 'Share', then copy the 'Hotlink for forums' code) is recommended.

Trev.

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Re: Need help identifying a pair of fighting roosters

Postby srh11293 » Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:10 pm

One of the days I will figure out how to post pictures, meanwhile, the roosters are sterling, so my question has been answered.

Thank you

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Re: Need help identifying a pair of fighting roosters

Postby Qrt.S » Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:20 am

Sorry, but your roosters are hardly silver but silver plated.
Of pure curiosity I took the risk and open the links because i have similar objects. What I believe has happened is that an acid test has been made. It showed very high silver fineness. The reason is that an electronically plated object's silver surface is always 100% silver. The problem with this test on a silver plated object is that the needed scratch hasn't been deep enough and has therefore not reached the base metal. It is usually German silver, alpaca, brass... In addition such objects are seldom made of silver. The marks are fantasy marks.
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Re: Need help identifying a pair of fighting roosters

Postby oel » Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:58 am

These fighting roosters could be made out of solid silver. Agree pseudo marks. I advise a proper silver test. use of XRF Alloy tester

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Re: Need help identifying a pair of fighting roosters

Postby dognose » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:05 am

It does indeed look like a Hanau mark of J. Kurz & Co.

See: https://www.925-1000.com/Fgerman_hanau_marks_01.html

Thanks to Qrt.S for posting the images.

Trev.

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Re: Need help identifying a pair of fighting roosters

Postby Qrt.S » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:47 am

@Peter,

Yes, they could be solid silver, but they seldom are. I haven't seen such roosters in silver but many silver plated like mine. They are so called "discussion activators" and meant to be put on the dinner table in order to activate discussions during the dinner. They have the same functions as those often human shaped ceramic/porcelain figurines also a part of the table setting.

@Trev.

You are welcome. It was worth the risk. It activated this "debate" ;-)

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Re: Need help identifying a pair of fighting roosters

Postby oel » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:57 am

You are wrong! These solid silver roosters or in Dutch called zilveren Kemphanen are very popular and often 835/000-925/000 and sometimes gilded (gold plated). Hanau pseudo marks are seen on solid silver not on silver plated items. Yes we also have silver plated roosters.
A Google search
https://www.google.com/search?safe=acti ... eEQ4dUDCAc


Links are OK but you have to check before you click.
https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-test-a- ... it-2487171

Peter.

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Re: Need help identifying a pair of fighting roosters

Postby AG2012 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:07 am

Hi,
This one is by Neresheimer,252 g. 11 cm tall.Compare,must be Hanau.
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